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Postby adonis1 » Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:51 pm

The best solution for both communities is to divide our island in a fair way which is the pre Turkish invation population (82% to GC & 18% to TC)

By doing this all Greek Cypriot Refugies who will not return back will be able to optain the property of Turkish Cypriots in the south.

To make things easier i suggest that the Greek Cypriots & the Turkish Cypriots, who will not be able to return, keep, for sentimental reasons, one house or one piece of property in the other side but will never be able to have citizenship rights.

By doing this the two communities can live happily ever after and prosper.

Two separate states in one island just like Haity & the Dominican Republic
share the Island of Hispaniola.

What do you think.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jan 02, 2005 1:50 pm

This is not a good solution, but is better than Annan plan.
I would agree if the percentages are fair (18%-82%) but not in any other case.

This solution is more acceptable than the Annan partition plan because about the same number of refugees would return, and we would not have to deal with settlers, the Turkish army and dysfunctionality. These would be just TC problems and they can decide how they will solve them by themselves.
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:25 pm

This is the "next best" solution according to Papadopoulos in Helsinki. It is a rediculous solution and if you must know it is the solution silently advanced by the nationalists on both sides. Now that in their mind they created a "monster" solution in the shape of the Anan plan (remember GC's and TC's nationalists agreed on the outright rejection of the A plan. Please do not tell me that the GC's outrightly rejected the plan because at least 25% of AKEL's vote was a "soft" no, according to AKEL itself) they are coming slowly but steadily out into the open, proposing the partition of our country. This is treason Piratis since you are the one that so easily likes to brand people as traitors. The "second best" solution is treason and its up to the real cypriots to make sure that this vision of Papadopoulos and Denktash is never fulfilled.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:36 pm

You are the one who keeps saying that we can not achieve anything much better than the Annan partition plan.
All I said is that such thing is bad but at least is better than the Annan plan.

If you disagree then please tell me why the Annan plan is better for GCs than what is proposed above.
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Postby Othellos » Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:37 pm

This is not a good solution, but is better than Annan plan.
I would agree if the percentages are fair (18%-82%) but not in any other case.


So....which 18% do you suggest that we sign away, piratis? Famagusta, Morphou, Kerynia or Kapasia?

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Postby Piratis » Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:42 pm

So....which 18% do you suggest that we sign away, piratis? Famagusta, Morphou, Kerynia or Kapasia?


I don't suggest to sign anything away. But if we are forced to sign something away, then why sign more away with the Annan partition plan, instead of less with what is proposed above?
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Postby magikthrill » Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:29 pm

Assuming parition were to take place, then what would the future of the TCs be?

Since the RoC is part of the EU then the Turkish state would not achieve any benefits and how many years (or centuries) would it take for the Turkish state to be part of the EU (if the EU still exists by then)?
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Postby Saint Jimmy » Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:39 pm

You gotta be kidding me! This is not a solution, it's not even an option!

Why can't the Maronites or the Armenians have a piece of the pie?

I can't even conceive that any Cypriot would prefer to divide the island and keep anyone out, instead of giving the other side even an inch.

Not acceptable.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:15 pm

You gotta be kidding me! This is not a solution, it's not even an option!


The Annan plan is a partition with some differences from standard partition:

1) TC and settlers get in the EU
2) TCs and settlers can suck our money
3) TCs and settlers keep more land
4) TCs and settlers can block anything in the whole Cyprus and therefore making the whole island a protectorate of Turkey
5) Annan plan creates something undemocratic
6) Annan plan is dysfunctional and could fall apart at any time.

So, IF the choice is just between two kinds of partition, it is very easy to understand which partition the majority of GCs would prefer.
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Postby mehmet » Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:26 pm

Adonis,

you and Denktas could solve the problem very quickly if you could just come to some agreement on the percentages. Are there any political representatives in the south who would support your proposal openly and honestly?

Of course, if you want something else you have to show some more mature thinking.
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