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[MicAtCyp]

Please do not vote here unless you are a GC

[MicAtCyp]

Ok so far we have 3 votes here all agreeing. Some more please?

[KELEBEK]

Why are you so frightened of Turkish settlers? Many of whom are poor, simple and hard-working folk. I am sure many who have made cyprus their home do not want to return to Anatolia. They exist, they are apart of Cyprus now whether you like to believe it or not! You keep reminding everybody of G/C rights, Dont they have rights too?

You should be more frightened of the Russian mafia in Limassol.

[Piratis]

Dont they have rights too?

They have rights in their country, not in our country.
If they want, they should go back to Turkey, and then apply for visa the way all foreign workers and immigrants do.

[uzan]

Why are you so frightened of Turkish settlers? Many of whom are poor, simple and hard-working folk. I am sure many who have made cyprus their home do not want to return to Anatolia. They exist, they are apart of Cyprus now whether you like to believe it or not! You keep reminding everybody of G/C rights, Dont they have rights too?

You should be more frightened of the Russian mafia in Limassol.

good on you KELRBEK Iwish Ican talk as good asyou.Do not stop talking and telling everyone the truth.We do need people like you.No only GChave rights not TC born and brought up in cyprus.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Why are you so frightened of Turkish settlers? Many of whom are poor, simple and hard-working folk. I am sure many who have made cyprus their home do not want to return to Anatolia. They exist, they are apart of Cyprus now whether you like to believe it or not! You keep reminding everybody of G/C rights, Dont they have rights too?

You should be more frightened of the Russian mafia in Limassol.

KELEBEK, the issue is tricky. On the one hand, it is undeniable that these people (i.e. the settlers) have the right to be treated humanely and with respect. On the other hand, it is equally undeniable that most of them currently live in homes that are not theirs, homes from which the rightful owners were forcefully removed ...

... if you just think that the TC community in Cyprus has always numbered about 18% of the total population, and if you also recall that in 1974 the turkish army took something like 40% of the island, then it is to be expected that there would have been a lot of houses "to spare" ... so why not start bringing people in from Turkey and giving them Greek Cypriot houses to live in, for free? ...

I don't know how this sounds to you, KELEBEK, but in my ears it certainly sounds ugly and wrong.

[erolz]

KELEBEK, the issue is tricky. On the one hand, it is undeniable that these people (i.e. the settlers) have the right to be treated humanely and with respect. On the other hand, it is equally undeniable that most of them currently live in homes that are not theirs, homes from which the rightful owners were forcefully removed ...

It is also undeniable (as far as I am concerned) that as a community they are the weakest economicaly and politcaly in the whole of Cyprus. There is also much animosity to them from all other communites. If the problem is the homes that they live in , then lets agree to build them new homes (state owned that they can buy back as and when the achieve the financial means necessary). The cost of this would be a fraction of what is currently spent on the military and arms and foreign aid for such a program would be available no doubt. The issue of them living in GC homes is to my mind relatively easy to solve, if we have the will.

[Piratis]

If the problem is the homes that they live in , then lets agree to build them new homes

Yes, Turkey should built them new homes in Turkey. Why should I pay for Turkish citizens? They should go, and we will not ask from them to pay us rent for the years they have been illegally using our properties.

If TCs want to share with them their 18% that they own, then ok. But Erolz, you can't be generous with what does not belong to you in the first place.

[KELEBEK]

OK, then why dont we

a) compensate those refugees still alive, keeping things as they are, business as usual.

or

b) bulldoze all the houses in question, many of them are already falling apart (Varosha / Marash), again keeping things as they are, business as usual. Then nobody can complain that we are living their homes.

or

c) allow G/Cs to return to their homes (only those born in the North) but on the condition that they live under T/C authority, their rights guranteed by the Free Turkish Cypriot State, right to educate their own people in their language and to legal representation and political representation in local govt in their own language. As with rights come responsibilities, G/C will also be required to do military service for the T/C army, and instruction will be in Turkish only! The North will be a Turkish Cypriot state where only Turkish will be official. G/Cs wont be citizens unless they marry T/Cs or have atleast one T/C parent, based on ius solis, the rule of blood, it works for Germany, why not for us? Besides there is no rule that a T/C has to be a Muslim.

[KELEBEK]

As for taxation they will be required to pay taxes, and will enjoy the same welfare rights as citizens. In terms of other benefits, the Turkish-Cypriot can allow the "RoC" to open 1 Embassy in North Nicosia and a consulate to help their own citizens. As for issues over missing persons etc, we can set up a cross-border council to deal with these.

I genuinely believe the last offer is very fair.