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[cypezokyli]

well, its not just critic on pap. there sth that just makes me sad in the north as well. this article was found yestarday in phileleftheros and today in politis. it concerns those gcs mainly in the famagusta region who didnt leave during and after the invation. i ll just translate the main points, facts and not the tone of the article.
so according to this guy and after the check points are opened :

1. some people are not allowed to go to the north, even if their parents live there. i dont know what this people have done, but not allowing them to visit their parents is a kind of....

2. for 18 of them who decided to buy a car from the south , they have to pay 7000 CP tax!!! or else, court, loose the car or prison!!!

3. around 200 houses as well as small churches have been destroyed between 2004-5 , for construction purposes. in 18th july on the ruins of an old aphrodite temple, military construction took place.

4. gc doctors are not allowed to visit these people despite the fact that these people are really old... (to be honest thats the reason i decided to post this whole thing. )


positive steps :
1. the reopening of the greekc gymnasium with a rise of students from 10 to 33

2. the permission to recontruct a number of churches and cementaries, some already finished or in process.


i dont know how many of these things are true. but especially the one with the doctors makes me furious. i really hope its an exxaguration, or if true that it is not a reaction to paps OXI or the suffering of the tc in the 1963.
its just somethings that i really cannot find excuses to explain them

this island is really stupid sometimes.

[sadik]

well, its not just critic on pap. there sth that just makes me sad in the north as well.

Hi Cypezokyli, I admire your attitude of balanced approach. You are a person of good intention. We, Turkish Cypriots, are guilty for turning a blind eye on these people and not trying to change the racist policies being applied to them. Previous administrations tried to do everything to make them leave, including not allowing the young ones to come back after completing their education in the south. The present one tried to do certain improvements, but it was far from enough. They are not nationalist, but they lack the drive to fix the mistakes of the past. I think the main problem is that we see everything along ethnic lines and tend to ignore problems the people from the other community are having.

[bg_turk]

It is ironic that TCs complian about not wanting to be a minority in a Greek dominated state when clearly they have miserably failing the test of civility in their own state in which they are the majority, and their treatment of the GCs minority is really unacceptale in terms of their own demands towards the RoC.

I ask all TCs to stand up agains those who perpetuate those policies, and give GCs in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus an examplary treatment, because tomorrow the roles could be easily switched. Treat your minorities as you wish them to treat you if you were in their case.

Having said this I believe the TRNC does need to take some measures to safeguard its territorial integrity. It has the right to control the textbooks in its schools, and it has the right to deny entry to foreign doctors. The TRNC should not allow RoC doctors to take care of its citizens and residents as if it is some third world country, there are more than enough qualified doctors in the TRNC.

[Viewpoint]

Totally right these people should be treated with respect and no different from TCs, its a big failure on our part and should be corrected immediately, the new leadership have gone someway but more should be done. For my part I have and will tell all the MPs i know to address this issue.

[zan]

1. Some people are not allowed to go to the north, even if their parents live there. I don’t know what this people have done, but not allowing them to visit their parents is a kind of....
??

2. For 18 of them, who decided to buy a car from the south, they have to pay 7000 CP tax!!! Or else, court, loose the car or prison!!!

All imports are taxed.

3. Around 200 houses as well as small churches have been destroyed between 2004-5, for construction purposes. In 18th July on the ruins of an old Aphrodite temple, military construction took place.

Sad. Depends how old the other stuff was, but building is necessary.

4. GC doctors are not allowed to visit these people despite the fact that these people are really old... (To be honest that's the reason I decided to post this whole thing.)

I’m with bg_Turk on this one.
What I don’t understand is, how can they be stopped. Do they get asked for ID and if they are down as doctors, they get turned away. Are there no doctors at the casinos? What if they want to go shopping? This one thing makes me suspicious of the whole intent of the article.

As for the GCs being treated badly. Deplorable.

[bg_turk]

What I don’t understand is, how can they be stopped. Do they get asked for ID and if they are down as doctors, they get turned away. Are there no doctors at the casinos? What if they want to go shopping? This one thing makes me suspicious of the whole intent of the article.

I think what is meant by this is that GC doctors are not allowed to excercise their profession in the North.

[zan]

I still don't understand why they would have to declare their intentions. Cross, see about your business then go home. Unless they were trying to win political points because they knew they were going to be turned away. Otherwise go to a Turkish doctor, they can’t all be against the GCs. This I will not accept.

[cypezokyli]

thanks to all of you.
posts like that give me hope, even though its not really in your hands to change sth.

as for the doctors, it is indeed kind of weird. i can imagine that was is meant is sth like what it is done on the villages in the south. because people are old and cannot really travel to the hospital, doctors visit them once a week just for a check. thats what i imagine is meant by that. i dont know if that "undermines the trnc". i cannot understand this attitude either when it comes to health. i dont know by how far the north is willing to do that but if they are, i dont really care. its not important who does it, so long as someone does it.

i dont know... sometimes i think political targets have a limit.
and its the same for us. if it was meant in any way just to gain political points its just stupid.

[bg_turk]

as for the doctors, it is indeed kind of weird. i can imagine that was is meant is sth like what it is done on the villages in the south. because people are old and cannot really travel to the hospital, doctors visit them once a week just for a check. thats what i imagine is meant by that. i dont know if that "undermines the trnc". i cannot understand this attitude either when it comes to health. i dont know by how far the north is willing to do that but if they are, i dont really care. its not important who does it, so long as someone does it.

cypezokyli,

I think the whole doctors issue is exaggerated.
My grandparent live in an isolated village high in the mountains, and they never get these kind of checks either.
Still they never demand doctors from Turkey to come and visit them, besides this is something that Bulgaria would never allow.

Are the RoC doctors really going to travel all the way to the north and visit those patients, when clearly their travelling time could better be spent with patient in the South. If the concern is the well being of those people only would it not be better (and cheaper!) to arrange for local TRNC doctors to do such checks?

[cypezokyli]

bg_turk
dont compare the turkish minorityin bulgaria with cyprus. you dont want to give us arguments

all the way to the north... do you have any idea how small cyprus is? from nicosia to kyrenia it takes 20 minutes.

but, it could be indeed exaguarated. yet if they some doctors can go, i dont see the reason why not? and if the north can provide that..as i said above, i dont care who does it. labels on health or humanitarian matters are completely not important to me.