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[erolz]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07 ... turkey.ap/

There - it is signed. Turkey still insists that it does not recognise the RoC. The EU still accpets that signing and not recognition was the pre condition to entry talks and no doubt TP will claim this as a major victory and that the EU will make recognition and not signing a pre condition of the start of entry talks.

[Piratis]

If Turkey does not recognize Cyprus before October 3, the EU will likely not be able to open membership talks with Ankara, because EU members Greece and Cyprus are bound to veto it.

I don't think this will be the case. However Turkey will have to open her ports and airports for Cyprus and allow the Cypriot airplanes to fly over her airspace. Basically they have to apply what they signed.
This might not need to be done before October 3rd, but if Turkey doesn't apply what she signed by October 3rd then a new deadline should be given where it will be clearly stated that if until the expiration of that deadline Turkey doesn't apply what she signed the negotiations with EU will stop.

[erolz]

If Turkey does not recognize Cyprus before October 3, the EU will likely not be able to open membership talks with Ankara, because EU members Greece and Cyprus are bound to veto it.

I don't think this will be the case.

I agree. Also I am not sure there is an opportunity to use a veto to block the start of talks now is there? Certainly plenty of opps to use veto to block entry of turkey once the talks start (30+ according to TP)? but not to block the start of that process. The conditions for the starting of the process have already been agreed and now met.

However Turkey will have to open her ports and airports for Cyprus and allow the Cypriot airplanes to fly over her airspace. Basically they have to apply what they signed.

I again I think you are right here. I personaly do not think Turkey is that concerned about implementing the agreement as long as she is able to maintain that this does not consitite recognition of the RoC as the lone and sole legitiamte government of all of cyprus. She will however try and make political captial out of having opening ports and airports to direct trade with the RoC to highlight and argue that the RoC is still not allowing such to the TC.

[fi]

Well altough I don't think that ROC is that concerned about recognition from Turkey, it is the legal governemnt anyway.

But EU officials are starting to view this stand of Turkey very negatively. It's not possible to want to join a union and work with others as partners but say I'm not recognising one of your members. A bit schizofrenic I think.

I don't this ROC will ever exercise veto because it really wants a european Turkey, to become democratic and respect human rights.

[erolz]

But EU officials are starting to view this stand of Turkey very negatively.

Actually my perspective on this is quite the contrary. I believe that those in the EU that are not looking for an excuse to block Turkish EU entry understand perfectly well the Turkish concerns over this issue and why they hold them. I believe this was clearly shown by the previous agreement of the heads of state that formal recognition was NOT a requirement of the start of entry talks - despite the RoC's desires on this matter. I beleiev the EU is acting on well tested principles of slow and steady progression of disputes by small movements on BOTH sides in degrees and in parallel. If anything my view is that those forces in the EU thast are for Turkish EU entry see the acts of the RoC, where it previosuly agreed that formal recognition was not a requirment of the start of entry talks (along with all the other EU heads of sate) continued talking and insistance that such recognition IS a requirment to the start of entry talks as negative.

[fi]

Well do you think it's resonable for Turkey to want to join Cyprus as a partner but saying it won't recognise it. Apparently Turkey doesn't know what the EU is!

[erolz]

Well do you think it's resonable for Turkey to want to join Cyprus as a partner but saying it won't recognise it. Apparently Turkey doesn't know what the EU is!

I think it's reasonable for Turkey to want to join the EU in which one of the exisiting member states is a 'united' Cyprus with an agreed end to the current 'status quo' and a comprehnsive settlment in place and not to want to join an EU where the Cyprus issues remians unresolved. I also think that the 'pro Turkey in EU' forces within the EU know and understand and accept this.

[fi]

Well if this is the case then Turkey shoud first come and solve the Cyprus problem and then apply to the EU. Because as it is it will come and join Cyprus as it is now.

[bg_turk]

Here is the turkish declaration:

1. Turkey remains committed to the search for a political settlement in Cyprus and has already clearly demonstrated its resolve in this regard.

Accordingly Turkey will continue to support United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan’s solution efforts aiming for the foundation of a new bi-communal co-partnership republic. A fair and lasting solution will contribute to peace, stability and the establishment of harmonious relations in the region.


2. The Republic of Cyprus referred to in this protocol is not the co-partnership republic founded in 1960.


3. Henceforth, Turkey will maintain its standpoint according to which Greek Cypriot offices have authority and control only south of the buffer zone and do not represent the Turkish Cypriot community, and will treat these offices’ actions accordingly.


4. Turkey declares that the signature, the approval and the implementation of this protocol do not signify the recognition of the Republic of Cyprus referred to in the Protocol and do not prejudice Turkey’s rights and duties sanctioned by the 1960 Treaties of Guarantee, Alliance and the Foundation.


5. Hereby, Turkey confirms that it being a party of this protocol will not alter its present relations with the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.


6. Pending a comprehensive settlement, the position of Turkey on Cyprus will remain unchanged. Turkey proclaims its readiness to establish relations with the new co-partnership state to result from a comprehensive settlement.

[theg]

Here is the turkish declaration:

1. Turkey remains committed to the search for a political settlement in Cyprus and has already clearly demonstrated its resolve in this regard.

Accordingly Turkey will continue to support United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan’s solution efforts aiming for the foundation of a new bi-communal co-partnership republic. A fair and lasting solution will contribute to peace, stability and the establishment of harmonious relations in the region.


2. The Republic of Cyprus referred to in this protocol is not the co-partnership republic founded in 1960.


3. Henceforth, Turkey will maintain its standpoint according to which Greek Cypriot offices have authority and control only south of the buffer zone and do not represent the Turkish Cypriot community, and will treat these offices’ actions accordingly.


4. Turkey declares that the signature, the approval and the implementation of this protocol do not signify the recognition of the Republic of Cyprus referred to in the Protocol and do not prejudice Turkey’s rights and duties sanctioned by the 1960 Treaties of Guarantee, Alliance and the Foundation.


5. Hereby, Turkey confirms that it being a party of this protocol will not alter its present relations with the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.


6. Pending a comprehensive settlement, the position of Turkey on Cyprus will remain unchanged. Turkey proclaims its readiness to establish relations with the new co-partnership state to result from a comprehensive settlement.

yes everybody should understand this declarations. nobody shouldnt understand '''turkey recognize greek cyprus''.


regards

theg