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[georgios100]

I know many of you don't favor "foreign" interference. There were several attempts from misc " outside teams" to resolve the Cyprob but failed to do so.

Taking a closer look & evaluating the given facts:

1. 36 years of endless talks - total failure.
2. New talks under way - not very promising - failure is imminent
3. "Distance" between both sides - too great
4. Willingness to resolve - low
5. More time needed - estimation impossible

Binding arbitration may be the only way to resolve the problem. The synthesis of the arbitrating team must be accepted from both sides. Final decision is binding but subject to modifications in the years to come and with/without pending approval from the arbitrator/s.

Implementation is immediate with terms based on a gradual removal of all foreign and domestic troops from the island. Security to increase proportionally to troop withdrawal, assigned by the arbitrator/s.

History example link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Treaty
The Jay Treaty of 1794 between Britain and the United States sent unresolved issues regarding debts and boundaries to arbitration, which took 7 years and proved successful.

[paliometoxo]

well ergul has ensured talks will fail for the next 4-8 years while he is in power

[bill cobbett]

Guess it depends on who's doing the arbitration. The UN with Turkey on the Security Council to come up with another Scammy Anon Plan?... or the new boys on the block, the EU?... or some combination?

Whichever it might be (if we go down that route), surely for the sake of legitimacy the conclusions must be ratified by leaderships and by referenda?

Referenda which don't include non-CY Republic, shipped in to swell the numbers and distort things, settlers.

[Hatter]

I know many of you don't favor "foreign" interference. There were several attempts from misc " outside teams" to resolve the Cyprob but failed to do so.

Taking a closer look & evaluating the given facts:

1. 36 years of endless talks - total failure.
2. New talks under way - not very promising - failure is imminent
3. "Distance" between both sides - too great
4. Willingness to resolve - low
5. More time needed - estimation impossible

Binding arbitration may be the only way to resolve the problem. The synthesis of the arbitrating team must be accepted from both sides. Final decision is binding but subject to modifications in the years to come and with/without pending approval from the arbitrator/s.

Implementation is immediate with terms based on a gradual removal of all foreign and domestic troops from the island. Security to increase proportionally to troop withdrawal, assigned by the arbitrator/s.

History example link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Treaty
The Jay Treaty of 1794 between Britain and the United States sent unresolved issues regarding debts and boundaries to arbitration, which took 7 years and proved successful.

How do you propose to establish that the arbitration team is accepted from both sides?

[AWE]

No, because they will never settle on who will arbitrate, it would take 37+ years to find the team both sides are happy with! Then they will have to agree who will vote on the outcome, including settlers or not - say add another 35 years. But at least it will keep the who Cyprob industry alive because god forbid there is a resolution as the patriots on both sides will be out of a job and the government will have to deal with the real problems of title deeds, tourism and over staffed bureaucracy etc etc etc

[cymart]

This is exactly what I have been trying to tell people on this forum for years!!What would all these self-important,over fed and corrupt arm chair patriots do if there was a solution?Luckily I am not the only one to say it and even Galanos,the mayor of Famagusta has been airing such views recently.Of course this is political dynamite and a bigger threat to the economic and political elite here than even the Turkish Army!I just wish it would become a vociferous tide that could finally change the situation here??

[YFred]

Guess it depends on who's doing the arbitration. The UN with Turkey on the Security Council to come up with another Scammy Anon Plan?... or the new boys on the block, the EU?... or some combination?

Whichever it might be (if we go down that route), surely for the sake of legitimacy the conclusions must be ratified by leaderships and by referenda?

Referenda which don't include non-CY Republic, shipped in to swell the numbers and distort things, settlers.

You seem to miss the point every time. Have you not learned anything in the last week. Erdogan called in the settler representatives and instructed them to vote for Talat and yet Talat lost.

If you really think about it properly for just one moment, the settlers will vote for peace even if it means going back as it gives a chance to make a life in Turkey with the compensation.

So leave the settlers out FFS. The people who are opposed to peace on both sides are the ones that have benefitted most in the last 35 years. They now have power and wealth. It does not mean they will never be defeated but their power gives them greater chances of winning. Money talks. Media control works. Where have you been living on mars?
In UK, who wins most elections. Look up the last 100 years, you will see the cons win 3 for every one of Labour except the last 3 elections and even then it was because Bliar turned cons.
Do you now get it?

No, go back to sleep, you drunken slob.

[Gasman]

No, because they will never settle on who will arbitrate, it would take 37+ years to find the team both sides are happy with! Then they will have to agree who will vote on the outcome, including settlers or not - say add another 35 years. But at least it will keep the who Cyprob industry alive because god forbid there is a resolution as the patriots on both sides will be out of a job and the government will have to deal with the real problems of title deeds, tourism and over staffed bureaucracy etc etc etc

And what Cymart said ... my thoughts exactly.

[georgios100]

There is an arbitration institution already in place.

The International Court of Justice (French: Cour internationale de justice; commonly referred to as the World Court or ICJ) is the primary judicial organ of the United Nations. It is based in the Peace Palace in The Hague, Netherlands. Its main functions are to settle legal disputes submitted to it by states and to give advisory opinions on legal questions submitted to it by duly authorized international organs, agencies, and the UN General Assembly

The court shall appoint an international team of unbiased experts in all fields of nation building & administrating. The team shall not include members from Cyprus, Turkey, Greece or England. Experts in constitution, economy, security, taxation, defence, infrastructure, law & order, commerce etc will examine both current and past facts & figures. The team will present a preliminary draft to the court for review & amendments. The court shall review and rule the terms & conditions of the decision.

The final court decision is not subject to referendum but binding to both parties. No appeals shall be allowed.

If both sides really want a solution, a bold step is required, binding arbitration. It is well understood, the two sides are unable or unwilling to compromise. Therefor, the arbitrator shall step in and resolve the problem with legality and fairness.

[B25]

There is an arbitration institution already in place.

The International Court of Justice (French: Cour internationale de justice; commonly referred to as the World Court or ICJ) is the primary judicial organ of the United Nations. It is based in the Peace Palace in The Hague, Netherlands. Its main functions are to settle legal disputes submitted to it by states and to give advisory opinions on legal questions submitted to it by duly authorized international organs, agencies, and the UN General Assembly

The court shall appoint an international team of unbiased experts in all fields of nation building & administrating. The team shall not include members from Cyprus, Turkey, Greece or England. Experts in constitution, economy, security, taxation, defence, infrastructure, law & order, commerce etc will examine both current and past facts & figures. The team will present a preliminary draft to the court for review & amendments. The court shall review and rule the terms & conditions of the decision.

The final court decision is not subject to referendum but binding to both parties. No appeals shall be allowed.

If both sides really want a solution, a bold step is required, binding arbitration. It is well understood, the two sides are unable or unwilling to compromise. Therefor, the arbitrator shall step in and resolve the problem with legality and fairness.

George stamata tes malakies!

There is already an arbitrator in place, it is called the UN.

It has already made it decision in the form of UN resolutions. Turkey should just follow them and all will be well.

Are you just trying to complicate things even more? Whats to say Turkey will abide by any other decision by anyone else?

What is needed is a multinational force to go and kick her out, actions not BS words over nd over again.

Thats what we need.