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Gap between defeatists and traitors widens...

Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:39 pm

‘US lackeys and extreme nationalists’

By Stefanos Evripidou

THE GAP between the two pro-solution parties AKEL and DISY grew wider yesterday after a leaked AKEL document described DISY officials as being either “US lackeys” or “extreme nationalists”.

According to yesterday’s Alithia, a leaked AKEL document allegedly intended for senior officials spoke of DISY as being split into two groups, those who are servile to the US, and an extremist nationalist wing. The document also accused former DISY leader and President, Glafcos Clerides, as being responsible for the Annan plan.

AKEL spokesman Stavros Evagorou claimed ignorance yesterday, saying he was not aware of the document, which he said had not been distributed to the ruling party’s official organs, the politburo and central committee.

Christos Christofides, a member of AKEL’s central committee, cleared up the mystery later in the day, clarifying in a written statement that the document was not an official AKEL document, but an informative document circulated among the AKEL youth group EDON.

Apart from informing students on the Cyprus problem, it also responded to extreme provocations from other factions against AKEL, President Demetris Christofias and the left-wing in general.

“We regret that the document was attributed to AKEL and its higher organs without cross-checking the facts,” said Christofides.

However, the damage had already been done and the jibes had reached their target. DISY spokesman Haris Georgiades called on AKEL directly to confirm or deny the existence of such a policy document published in Alithia.

At a time when AKEL talks publicly about unity and overreacts to criticisms of Christofias’ policies, it doesn’t hesitate to dish out unacceptable characterisations on DISY officials like “US lackey” and “whimsical”, said Georgiades, “Regardless of the fact that the most severe criticisms against Christofias’ policy comes from their own coalition partners”.

Speaking after a meeting of DISY”s executive, the spokesman said the party continued to believe that during these critical times, the needs of the country had to be put before ideological differences, though they be many.

Meanwhile, DISY leader Nicos Anastassiades had a phone conversation with Christofias yesterday to brief him on his meetings abroad. He said he would inform the President in the coming days on his party’s views on the ‘executive’ proposal in the direct talks.

The DISY leader said the issue of a rotating presidency in a united federal Cyprus was concluded long ago, through the 2005 codification of positions, and later through a series of statements made by the late president Tassos Papadopoulos.

“I have the impression this should be considered as something that was accepted,” he said. The essence was less the rotating presidency, which coalition partners EDEK and DIKO have directly opposed, and more the capabilities of the president to resolve differences.

On the equally divisive issue of weighted votes, whereby the Greek Cypriot votes for a Turkish Cypriot presidential candidate would be weighted based on the population ratio between the two communities, Anastassiades said to an extent this was a fair proposal to avoid the majority imposing its will on the minority.

“What we should consider is how this weighted vote will work in the future,” he said.

According to reports from the state broadcaster yesterday, DISY may propose changes to the executive proposal, including capping the proportion of weighted votes to protect the Greek Cypriot vote against an upsurge in the Turkish Cypriot population.

DIKO spokesman Fotis Fotiou once again voiced his party’s disagreement with any kind of rotating presidency, particularly one with weighted votes for the Greek Cypriot electorate.

“The argument that a rotating presidency has been already accepted because it was included in the Annan plan does not stand for us from the moment that the people rejected this plan,” he said.


The above article is quite interesting!

The article itself is intrinsically flawed, and designed to trick the Cypriot masses by classifying both AKEL and DISY as "pro solution" parties, even though it is these 2 parties, with their extreme ideologies which were ultimately responsible for the destruction of Cyprus, and it is these 2 parties that are tirelessly working for the "final solution" against the Cypriot people, by selling out our basic democratic and human rights principles as enshrined within the EU Charter!

Stafanos Evripides must think that Cypriots are stupid, because his bias is most certainly uncovered by labeling the 2 most destructive parties in Cyprus as "pro solution". Someone should ask him if he considers both DIKO and EDEK to be "pro solution". This very clever piece of journalism seems to imply that this is not the case and that both DIKO and EDEK are anti solution parties leaving his clever methodology exposed for all to analyse and be weary of. He should also be informed that DIKO and EDEK are NOT anti solution, but are most certainly pro solution parties, but not at the expense of our dignity, democratic and human rights which will formalise Apartheid in Cyprus, and where one group of people will be discriminated against due to their race. Furthermore, such an outcome can NEVER be considered a solution to the Cyprus Problem, but the exact opposite...

As stated earlier, I feel that both AKEL and DISY are the 2 most destructive political forces in Cyprus. DISY is destructive because it harbours MANY neo nationalists of the EOKA B variety, who were instrumental in ousting the Makarios Government and thus pave the way for Turkey's invasion of Cyprus, and also because it probably DOES serve US imperial interests in Cyprus, as stated by the AKEL/EDON leaked document. AKEL is destructive, because just like DISY, it too has an extremist political ideology, albeit at the opposite end of the political spectrum, and also because in the 60s and 70s, it served Soviet interests in the East Mediterranean at the height of the cold war, even though Cyprus was pushing for non alignment at the time, thus earning Makarios the unwarranted reputation of being the "Red Priest" or the Mediterranean's very own "Fidel Castro", thus motivating US imperialist forces to lay the ground work within Greece and Cyprus, by mobilising the very same traitors within DISY to oust Makarios by engineering the most disastrous event in Cypriot history, on 15 Jul 74!

Cypriots will one day understand that both DISY and AKEL, the 2 "pro solution" parties in Cyprus, will be our demise. The former from a policy of "defeatism", and the latter for its most extreme "nationalism" and for its betrayal of Cyprus by serving foreign interests.

The 2 "anti solution" parties of DIKO and EDEK, with their moderate political ideologies are the real pro solution parties, because they will strive for a fair and workable solution encompassing ALL democratic and human rights of ALL citizens without betraying these rights, something AKEL and DISY have never done.

It is such a relief that the GAP between AKEL and DISY is widening, because the last thing the RoC needs is for these destructive forces in Cyprus to bridge their differences and form an alliance. If such a calamity ever took place, then Cypriots should prepare for the "final solution" in Cyprus.....

Such gutter journalism, you can only expect from the Cyprus Mail - the mouthpiece of US/UK imperialist and pro Turkish interests....
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Re: Gap between defeatists and traitors widens...

Postby YFred » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:42 pm

Paphitis wrote:
‘US lackeys and extreme nationalists’

By Stefanos Evripidou

THE GAP between the two pro-solution parties AKEL and DISY grew wider yesterday after a leaked AKEL document described DISY officials as being either “US lackeys” or “extreme nationalists”.

According to yesterday’s Alithia, a leaked AKEL document allegedly intended for senior officials spoke of DISY as being split into two groups, those who are servile to the US, and an extremist nationalist wing. The document also accused former DISY leader and President, Glafcos Clerides, as being responsible for the Annan plan.

AKEL spokesman Stavros Evagorou claimed ignorance yesterday, saying he was not aware of the document, which he said had not been distributed to the ruling party’s official organs, the politburo and central committee.

Christos Christofides, a member of AKEL’s central committee, cleared up the mystery later in the day, clarifying in a written statement that the document was not an official AKEL document, but an informative document circulated among the AKEL youth group EDON.

Apart from informing students on the Cyprus problem, it also responded to extreme provocations from other factions against AKEL, President Demetris Christofias and the left-wing in general.

“We regret that the document was attributed to AKEL and its higher organs without cross-checking the facts,” said Christofides.

However, the damage had already been done and the jibes had reached their target. DISY spokesman Haris Georgiades called on AKEL directly to confirm or deny the existence of such a policy document published in Alithia.

At a time when AKEL talks publicly about unity and overreacts to criticisms of Christofias’ policies, it doesn’t hesitate to dish out unacceptable characterisations on DISY officials like “US lackey” and “whimsical”, said Georgiades, “Regardless of the fact that the most severe criticisms against Christofias’ policy comes from their own coalition partners”.

Speaking after a meeting of DISY”s executive, the spokesman said the party continued to believe that during these critical times, the needs of the country had to be put before ideological differences, though they be many.

Meanwhile, DISY leader Nicos Anastassiades had a phone conversation with Christofias yesterday to brief him on his meetings abroad. He said he would inform the President in the coming days on his party’s views on the ‘executive’ proposal in the direct talks.

The DISY leader said the issue of a rotating presidency in a united federal Cyprus was concluded long ago, through the 2005 codification of positions, and later through a series of statements made by the late president Tassos Papadopoulos.

“I have the impression this should be considered as something that was accepted,” he said. The essence was less the rotating presidency, which coalition partners EDEK and DIKO have directly opposed, and more the capabilities of the president to resolve differences.

On the equally divisive issue of weighted votes, whereby the Greek Cypriot votes for a Turkish Cypriot presidential candidate would be weighted based on the population ratio between the two communities, Anastassiades said to an extent this was a fair proposal to avoid the majority imposing its will on the minority.

“What we should consider is how this weighted vote will work in the future,” he said.

According to reports from the state broadcaster yesterday, DISY may propose changes to the executive proposal, including capping the proportion of weighted votes to protect the Greek Cypriot vote against an upsurge in the Turkish Cypriot population.

DIKO spokesman Fotis Fotiou once again voiced his party’s disagreement with any kind of rotating presidency, particularly one with weighted votes for the Greek Cypriot electorate.

“The argument that a rotating presidency has been already accepted because it was included in the Annan plan does not stand for us from the moment that the people rejected this plan,” he said.


The above article is quite interesting!

The article itself is intrinsically flawed, and designed to trick the Cypriot masses by classifying both AKEL and DISY as "pro solution" parties, even though it is these 2 parties, with their extreme ideologies which were ultimately responsible for the destruction of Cyprus, and it is these 2 parties that are tirelessly working for the "final solution" against the Cypriot people, by selling out our basic democratic and human rights principles as enshrined within the EU Charter!

Stafanos Evripides must think that Cypriots are stupid, because his bias is most certainly uncovered by labeling the 2 most destructive parties in Cyprus as "pro solution". Someone should ask him if he considers both DIKO and EDEK to be "pro solution". This very clever piece of journalism seems to imply that this is not the case and that both DIKO and EDEK are anti solution parties leaving his clever methodology exposed for all to analyse and be weary of. He should also be informed that DIKO and EDEK are NOT anti solution, but are most certainly pro solution parties, but not at the expense of our dignity, democratic and human rights which will formalise Apartheid in Cyprus, and where one group of people will be discriminated against due to their race. Furthermore, such an outcome can NEVER be considered a solution to the Cyprus Problem, but the exact opposite...

As stated earlier, I feel that both AKEL and DISY are the 2 most destructive political forces in Cyprus. DISY is destructive because it harbours MANY neo nationalists of the EOKA B variety, who were instrumental in ousting the Makarios Government and thus pave the way for Turkey's invasion of Cyprus, and also because it probably DOES serve US imperial interests in Cyprus, as stated by the AKEL/EDON leaked document. AKEL is destructive, because just like DISY, it too has an extremist political ideology, albeit at the opposite end of the political spectrum, and also because in the 60s and 70s, it served Soviet interests in the East Mediterranean at the height of the cold war, even though Cyprus was pushing for non alignment at the time, thus earning Makarios the unwarranted reputation of being the "Red Priest" or the Mediterranean's very own "Fidel Castro", thus motivating US imperialist forces to lay the ground work within Greece and Cyprus, by mobilising the very same traitors within DISY to oust Makarios by engineering the most disastrous event in Cypriot history, on 15 Jul 74!

Cypriots will one day understand that both DISY and AKEL, the 2 "pro solution" parties in Cyprus, will be our demise. The former from a policy of "defeatism", and the latter for its most extreme "nationalism" and for its betrayal of Cyprus by serving foreign interests.

The 2 "anti solution" parties of DIKO and EDEK, with their moderate political ideologies are the real pro solution parties, because they will strive for a fair and workable solution encompassing ALL democratic and human rights of ALL citizens without betraying these rights, something AKEL and DISY have never done.

It is such a relief that the GAP between AKEL and DISY is widening, because the last thing the RoC needs is for these destructive forces in Cyprus to bridge their differences and form an alliance. If such a calamity ever took place, then Cypriots should prepare for the "final solution" in Cyprus.....

Such gutter journalism, you can only expect from the Cyprus Mail - the mouthpiece of US/UK imperialist and pro Turkish interests....

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The first posting is based on wishful thinking..

Postby cymart » Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:56 pm

and the second on reality!Time never stood still and is the worst enemy of those who cannot see the truth!
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Postby Expatkiwi » Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:05 pm

There are no such things as "U.S. Lackeys", thank you; they are friends and allies of the United States of America.
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Postby eracles » Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:40 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:There are no such things as "U.S. Lackeys", thank you; they are friends and allies of the United States of America.


good joke :P
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Re: The first posting is based on wishful thinking..

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:49 pm

cymart wrote:and the second on reality!Time never stood still and is the worst enemy of those who cannot see the truth!


Cypriots have it too good to compromise their living standards and trade their democratic and human rights for just a few percent of Cypriot territory.

They can never accept anything remotely similar to the Annan Plan which will formalise an Apartheid democracy which affords rights to citizens based on race.

Most Cypriots would prefer the current status quo, and some already prefer a formalized partition so that their individual rights are never compromised just because they happen to be Greek Cypriot.

The negotiations will achieve absolutely nothing unless we capitulate to all the demands made by Turkey. But even then, the electorate would block the plan and Christofias knows this, which is why he is desperately trying to window dress every single concession as a "victory" for our side. With politicians such as this, who needs enemies? :lol:

Of course, the Cyprus problem could easily be solved if only our leaders did not lack imagination.
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'most Cypriots would prefer the status quo'

Postby cymart » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:48 pm

Who are you referring to? the greedy developers and Paphos peasants who sold their fields and made millions out of the air?The slimy lawyers and accountants who help the Russian mafia launder money and drive around in mercedes etc?Or the lying politicians?
Well I know many whop are sick of the status quo and even more sick of those who support it!
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Re: 'most Cypriots would prefer the status quo'

Postby Piratis » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:16 pm

cymart wrote:Who are you referring to? the greedy developers and Paphos peasants who sold their fields and made millions out of the air?The slimy lawyers and accountants who help the Russian mafia launder money and drive around in mercedes etc?Or the lying politicians?
Well I know many whop are sick of the status quo and even more sick of those who support it!


We are all sick of the status quo and nobody supports it. The point is that we want a real solution that will be better than the status quo. This is what the majority of people wants.

Of course there that are willing to accept a bad "solution" for various reasons. For example if you are a foreigner who the only thing he cares about is how to get his hands on his wife's property in Famagusta and you don't give a damn that most of the rest of occupied Cyprus would be officially Turkified or that democracy and human rights would be sacrificed and Cyprus would become a puppet of Turkey. I am sure you know many such people cymart. You are one of them, and probably the people you hung out with are similar to you. So no surprises there.
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Re: 'most Cypriots would prefer the status quo'

Postby B25 » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:17 pm

cymart wrote:Who are you referring to? the greedy developers and Paphos peasants who sold their fields and made millions out of the air?The slimy lawyers and accountants who help the Russian mafia launder money and drive around in mercedes etc?Or the lying politicians?
Well I know many whop are sick of the status quo and even more sick of those who support it!


Shut up Jew! Just because you are married to a Cyp and trying to get your other halfs land back, you want us to give up the country to please you???
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Re: 'most Cypriots would prefer the status quo'

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:36 pm

cymart wrote:Who are you referring to? the greedy developers and Paphos peasants who sold their fields and made millions out of the air?The slimy lawyers and accountants who help the Russian mafia launder money and drive around in mercedes etc?Or the lying politicians?
Well I know many whop are sick of the status quo and even more sick of those who support it!


No I am referring to the average Jo on the street who will not sacrifice their democratic and human rights so that there is mere closure on the Cyprus Issue and the status quo is ended.

Being sick of the status quo is one thing, but this does not offer any justification for you or anyone else, politicians included, to gamble with fundamental rights which are paramount to any descent democratic and liberal society around the world or the EU Charter.

Cypriots prefer the status quo, rather than be considered second class citizens within their own state.

Furthermore, land owners have become wealthy all over the world as a result of the decade long investment boom/bubble. Cypriots are no different, whether they own land in Paphos, Limassol or Nicosia. And the property developers cater for this boom by providing housing to meet current investment or home buying demands. When the demand outstrips supply, then prices go up, making land owners more wealthy. The share market works on the exact same principles. Landowners in Paphos did not become wealthier as a result of the division in Cyprus as this would have occurred naturally over time as it did in other parts of Cyprus and around the world. Landowners might have even become more wealthier if the island was not partitioned, as I would presume that more foreign investment in Cypriot property would occur which would increase demand and raise property prices even further. Your logic is flawed, and as for the rest of it, I am not really sure what you are trying to say or achieve! :?
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