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Christofias gave in!

Postby Kifeas » Fri May 23, 2008 4:19 pm

Christofias gave in!

Today it should be marked as a dark day in the annals of the Greek Cypriot community! Christofias, knowingly or unknowingly - intentionally or unintentionally, has given in to the Turkish demands for the dissolution of the RoC and the via “virgin-birth” establishment of a new entity which will be based on the partnership of two separate and ethnically based and owned entities! Not only he gave up the sovereignty of the RoC, by recognizing sovereignty to the “TRNC,” as a constituent partner of the new “federal” entity, but he also gave up the RoC as an entity -in its entireness, and accepted its devaluation to a Greek Cypriot constituent state!

The following line in the joined communiqué, after today’s meeting between Christofias and Talat, will be proved detrimental to the future of re-unification of Cyprus, and to the historical rights of the Greek Cypriot community in the northern part of our country! It is a disaster! No matter what will be said about this meeting and the joined communiqué, the damage is tremendous, and history will prove me right! I have no hope to any re-reunification solution! Unfortunately my fears about Christofias are proved to have been justified! He has proven himself inferior to his undertaken position and role!

``They reaffirmed their commitment for a bizonal bicommunal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a federal government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state which will be of equal status,``

http://www.cna.org.cy/website/english/a ... 2.asp?id=1


Christofias did not "bother" securing that this "partnership" will be on the basis of the two communities, as such, instead of the two states! He further did not "bother" securing that this "partnership" is not an entirely new partnership but a re-development of the existing 1960 bi-communal RoC partnership! He did not bother seeking a definition of what the adjectives "Turkish Cypriot" and "Greek Cypriot" states should imply, living in this way the cultural and political rights of the members of the Greek Cypriot in the north under jeopardy and potential eradication! He even accepted the use of the term "constituent" states, instead of "component" states; allowing in this way the Turkish side to claim and insist that the two states will be the constituents (will constitute) the central government, instead of being mere components of a one and single federal nation-state! He accepted the same philosophy of the rejected by the 76% of the GCs Anan plan 5! What a shame!

PS: And before some idiots will tell me that I did not comment on the closure for a “single international personality,” I say before hand that this is nonsense! It means nothing! It is just like saying that the EU has a one single international personality, or that the UN as an organization has one single international personality! It is meaningless, because if under the veil of this “single international personality,” two separate entities may function and regulate the everyday life of the people (citizens) of this country in separatist and apartheid ways, and under prejudicing constitutions and laws (as the case seems to be,) this is what counts to the individual citizens, and not if the international personality of such a monstrosity will be single or multiple!
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Postby Oracle » Fri May 23, 2008 4:32 pm

It just says they "reaffirmed their commitment" ..... isn't that just political speak for continuing the talks ... and no more?

He can't just give away political equality without at least a referendum, surely?

Any chance you could spell this out in layman speak ... and perhaps what reaction there should be to this if it is as bad as you say?
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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 23, 2008 4:35 pm

Oracle wrote:It just says they "reaffirmed their commitment" ..... isn't that just political speak for continuing the talks ... and no more?

He can't just give away political equality without at least a referendum, surely?

Any chance you could spell this out in layman speak ... and perhaps what reaction there should be to this if it is as bad as you say?


What are you talking about, Oracle? Can you quote what you are talking about, and then tell me what relation does it have with the above?
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Postby Paphitis » Fri May 23, 2008 4:43 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Oracle wrote:It just says they "reaffirmed their commitment" ..... isn't that just political speak for continuing the talks ... and no more?

He can't just give away political equality without at least a referendum, surely?

Any chance you could spell this out in layman speak ... and perhaps what reaction there should be to this if it is as bad as you say?


What are you talking about, Oracle? Can you quote what you are talking about, and then tell me what relation does it have with the above?


You get the leaders you derserve. The Cypriots voted for this disaster and I have been fearing this man for quite a while, but kept quiet as everyone deserves a chance.

On a brighter note, do not fear Kifeas as a referendum will have to be held, and if he is indeed going to try and sell us out, then you can vote against the betrayal at the referendum.
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Postby Oracle » Fri May 23, 2008 4:54 pm

Kifeas wrote:What are you talking about, Oracle? Can you quote what you are talking about, and then tell me what relation does it have with the above?


Oracle wrote:It just says they "reaffirmed their commitment" ..... isn't that just political speak for continuing the talks ... and no more?



It says that here ....

They reaffirmed their commitment for a bizonal bicommunal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions.


Oracle wrote:He can't just give away political equality without at least a referendum, surely?


They are just being polite to each other, it doesn't really mean the "TRNC" will become a separate state with political equality to a smaller "RoC -state" ... but that is what I understand from your analysis so far.

Oracle wrote:Any chance you could spell this out in layman speak ... and perhaps what reaction there should be to this if it is as bad as you say?


Kifeas wrote:Today it should be marked as a dark day in the annals of the Greek Cypriot community! Christofias, knowingly or unknowingly - intentionally or unintentionally, has given in to the Turkish demands for the dissolution of the RoC and the via “virgin-birth” establishment of a new entity which will be based on the partnership of two separate and ethnically based and owned entities! Not only he gave up the sovereignty of the RoC, by recognizing sovereignty to the “TRNC", as a constituent partner of the new “federal” entity, but he also gave up the RoC as an entity -in its entireness, and accepted its devaluation to a Greek Cypriot constituent state!


Where does it say he recognizes sovereignty of the "TRNC" ? ... How did you arrive at that conclusion, Kifeas?
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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 23, 2008 4:54 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Oracle wrote:It just says they "reaffirmed their commitment" ..... isn't that just political speak for continuing the talks ... and no more?

He can't just give away political equality without at least a referendum, surely?

Any chance you could spell this out in layman speak ... and perhaps what reaction there should be to this if it is as bad as you say?


What are you talking about, Oracle? Can you quote what you are talking about, and then tell me what relation does it have with the above?


You get the leaders you derserve. The Cypriots voted for this disaster and I have been fearing this man for quite a while, but kept quiet as everyone deserves a chance.

On a brighter note, do not fear DT as a referendum will have to be held, and if he is indeed going to try and sell us out, then you can vote against the betrayal at the referendum.


Forget it Paphitis, forget it! The game is over! We can not afford to go to another referendum in which we will have to say no! The game is over, and this due to the incompetence of Christofias! I understand Chritosias English to be very poor, but what about this idiot “advisor” George Iacovou, that was with him? The game is over Paphitis!
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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 23, 2008 4:57 pm

Oracle wrote:It just says they "reaffirmed their commitment" ..... isn't that just political speak for continuing the talks ... and no more?

He can't just give away political equality without at least a referendum, surely?

Any chance you could spell this out in layman speak ... and perhaps what reaction there should be to this if it is as bad as you say?


Oracle, it says they reaffirmed their commitment for a BBF! Is this what I am talking about, or about the next to it sentence?
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Postby roseandchan » Fri May 23, 2008 4:57 pm

i would have liked to see a united cyprus. but has too much history gone past to expect that it would possibly happen?
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Postby Paphitis » Fri May 23, 2008 5:06 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Oracle wrote:It just says they "reaffirmed their commitment" ..... isn't that just political speak for continuing the talks ... and no more?

He can't just give away political equality without at least a referendum, surely?

Any chance you could spell this out in layman speak ... and perhaps what reaction there should be to this if it is as bad as you say?


What are you talking about, Oracle? Can you quote what you are talking about, and then tell me what relation does it have with the above?


You get the leaders you derserve. The Cypriots voted for this disaster and I have been fearing this man for quite a while, but kept quiet as everyone deserves a chance.

On a brighter note, do not fear DT as a referendum will have to be held, and if he is indeed going to try and sell us out, then you can vote against the betrayal at the referendum.


Forget it Paphitis, forget it! The game is over! We can not afford to go to another referendum in which we will have to say no! The game is over, and this due to the incompetence of Christofias! I understand Chritosias English to be very poor, but what about this idiot “advisor” George Iacovou, that was with him? The game is over Paphitis!


Why can't you vote no if a proposed solution is a distaster?

What do you think will happen if Cypriots vote no? Do you believe that they will achieve some recognition?

I can not see "trnc" being recognised especially as there are numerous UN resolutions declaring them as illegal. But I guess I could be wrong.

Anyway, I do not believe there is any cause for alarm just yet. I am not convinced that Christofias has done what DT alleges at this stage.
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Postby Oracle » Fri May 23, 2008 5:14 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Oracle wrote:It just says they "reaffirmed their commitment" ..... isn't that just political speak for continuing the talks ... and no more?

He can't just give away political equality without at least a referendum, surely?

Any chance you could spell this out in layman speak ... and perhaps what reaction there should be to this if it is as bad as you say?


What are you talking about, Oracle? Can you quote what you are talking about, and then tell me what relation does it have with the above?


You get the leaders you derserve. The Cypriots voted for this disaster and I have been fearing this man for quite a while, but kept quiet as everyone deserves a chance.

On a brighter note, do not fear DT as a referendum will have to be held, and if he is indeed going to try and sell us out, then you can vote against the betrayal at the referendum.


Forget it Paphitis, forget it! The game is over! We can not afford to go to another referendum in which we will have to say no! The game is over, and this due to the incompetence of Christofias! I understand Chritosias English to be very poor, but what about this idiot “advisor” George Iacovou, that was with him? The game is over Paphitis!


Why can't you vote no if a proposed solution is a distaster?

What do you think will happen if Cypriots vote no? Do you believe that they will achieve some recognition?

I can not see "trnc" being recognised especially as there are numerous UN resolutions declaring them as illegal. But I guess I could be wrong.

Anyway, I do not believe there is any cause for alarm just yet. I am not convinced that Christofias has done what DT alleges at this stage.


What is this allegation of DT.'s?

I can't fathom why Kifeas portrays such a bleak picture ... but implications take a while to sink in with me :roll: .... Surely there are still options!
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