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[Piratis]

I have said many times that TCs and Turkey give nothing more than lame excuses in an effort to gain on our loss using brute military power.

This minority of 18% illegally keeps 37% of our country under occupation and they even declared this part of Republic of Cyprus as an independent state, which is of course illegal and not recognized by anybody except Turkey.

They say that a form of partition that would separate the two communities in an apartheid way is necessary by recycling over and over their distorted version of a past decade, in an attempt to prove that GCs are the evils that now deserve to be punished by having their land stolen and their human and democratic rights violated, while the TCs are the innocent victims that need to be protected from the "evil" GCs.

Then the question comes (in other recent threads): Would you (TCs) accept partition with a proportional (based on population) split of 18% for TCs and 82% for GCs?

Their answer is NO. But why?
They demanded partition since the 50s, and now they claim there is a separate state in the north called "trnc". It is more than obvious that partition is what they want.

They say that with a true unification the GCs would rule over them, but they want to rule themselves. With an 18%-82% split they would.

They say that they can not live together with GCs again because GCs are evil and can not be trusted. With 18%-82% split they wouldn't have to.

They say they don't want to be a minority. In their new country of 18% of Cyprus they wouldn't be.

Basically ALL of their "concerns" would be satisfied with an 18%-82% partition.

So why they do not accept even that? The answer is simple: Because what they want is to steal as much of our land as possible. Everything else is just lame excuses to achieve this aim and noting more. They believe that the big guns of Turkey can help them to steal from us much more land, and thats what they are trying to do.

Sorry that I refer to TCs and Turks in general. Certainly among them there are decent people. Unfortunately their majority still carries the uncivilized instincts of their ancestors and all they care about is how much land they will grab from the ones they invade.

How about it Zan and Murataga? Why you do not even accept an 18%-82% split so you can be safe separated from the "evil" GCs, with recognition, direct trades, flights etc? Because you believe the big guns of Turkey can help you to steal more land from us, isn't it? There is no reason to try to deny it.

[Simon]

Correct Piratis. It is all about colonisation, in the 21st Century may I add, and greed. You give an inch, and they want a mile.

[Get Real!]

They are not even entitled to 18%...

Land Ownership in Cyprus by Ethnic Group:

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State/Church Land

Source: Department of Lands and Surveys
(Refer to Annex 14 in Volume II of the "Memorandum by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus" submitted to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons, 27 February 1987)

[lovernomore]

Hello everybody. I been looking at this forum for long time. I like some arguments and like to hear from both sides. I have many Turkish and Greek Cypriot friends, i work with many of them. I hear them talk about this problem and enjoy there arguments. maybe some one can answer my question. thank you.

If GC say yes to Anann plan some land was giving back to GC. if that was the case what percentage will be for TC.

[shahmaran]

More than they deserve thats for sure

[Simon]

Under the Annan Plan, the Greek Cypriot state would have consisted of 71.5% of Cyprus; and the Turkish Cypriot state 28.5%.

The majority of TCs would have been given their land back, while only a minority of GCs would have had the same privilege.

[Piratis]

They are not even entitled to 18%...

We are not talking about what they are entitled.
Actually what they are entitled is private ownership as individuals within RoC. They are not entitled a separate state of any size.

Here I am just showing that for TCs (most of them) it is all about how much land they will grab from us, not about their "concerns"

I am not saying that a decent TC that truly wants unification wouldn't have any concerns. But there would be many ways to satisfy the true concerns of that honest TCs without violating the democratic principles or the human rights of anybody.

[lovernomore]

Under the Annan Plan, the Greek Cypriot state would have consisted of 71.5% of Cyprus; and the Turkish Cypriot state 28.5%.

Thank you Simon. If there was some changes in the plan taht GC are happy but the land for TC stay 28.5% is there a chnce GC will be happy? If the TC never acept 18% and demand 28.5% can there be agreement. Some GC , Piratis for example is saying 18%, and you agree and Get Real is saying 18% too much give them less. Then we are stuck and can never have solution, dont you think?

[Piratis]

Under the Annan Plan, the Greek Cypriot state would have consisted of 71.5% of Cyprus; and the Turkish Cypriot state 28.5%.

Thank you Simon. If there was some changes in the plan taht GC are happy but the land for TC stay 28.5% is there a chnce GC will be happy? If the TC never acept 18% and demand 28.5% can there be agreement. Some GC , Piratis for example is saying 18%, and you agree and Get Real is saying 18% too much give them less. Then we are stuck and can never have solution, dont you think?

Yes if they do not accept what is fair, we are stuck. So you should try to convince them to accept what is fair, and not us to accept what is unfair

To answer your initial question, the Annan plan was so problematic and dysfunctional it would lead to an official partition. So all it matters in the end in such "solution" plans is the land distribution.

As I said in another thread the Annan plan was just a stepping stone for partition. Since an official partition is not possible today, they wanted to create a situation where an official partition would be the only way out of the huge problems we would face, and therefore our side would be forced to accept it.

[lovernomore]

Under the Annan Plan, the Greek Cypriot state would have consisted of 71.5% of Cyprus; and the Turkish Cypriot state 28.5%.

Thank you Simon. If there was some changes in the plan taht GC are happy but the land for TC stay 28.5% is there a chnce GC will be happy? If the TC never acept 18% and demand 28.5% can there be agreement. Some GC , Piratis for example is saying 18%, and you agree and Get Real is saying 18% too much give them less. Then we are stuck and can never have solution, dont you think?

Yes if they do not accept what is fair, we are stuck. So you should try to convince them to accept what is fair, and not us to accept what is unfair

To answer your initial question, the Annan plan was so problematic and dysfunctional it would lead to an official partition. So all it matters in the end in such "solution" plans is the land distribution.

As I said in another thread the Annan plan was just a stepping stone for partition. Since an official partition is not possible today, they wanted to create a situation where an official partition would be the only way out of the huge problems we would face, and therefore our side would be forced to accept it.

Thank you Piratis but my question is ununswerd, would you acept 28.5% for TC? it is obvios TC will never acept 18% will you say yes to 28.5?