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[Expatkiwi]

GR, you're never going to convince me that everything is going to be rosy and hunky-dory on the island should the Green Line imediately disappear... Perhaps not you, but others with decidely anti-Turkish Cypriot ambitions will start their little intrigues again, and the intercommunal villence will recur. And if you think that 'in these enlightened times' such a thing in unthinkable, then you are in a definite state of denial.

[DT.]

GR, you're never going to convince me that everything is going to be rosy and hunky-dory on the island should the Green Line imediately disappear... Perhaps not you, but others with decidely anti-Turkish Cypriot ambitions will start their little intrigues again, and the intercommunal villence will recur. And if you think that 'in these enlightened times' such a thing in unthinkable, then you are in a definite state of denial.

You know the GC population that well to feel comfortable making such a definite statement? A Turkish supporting Kiwi that lives in LA?

[observer]

That is an interesting argument, GR, but there is one main thing that you should remember:

An immediate withdrawal of Turkish Forces from Cyprus after the first intervention would have left the Turkish Cypriot minority on the island vulnerable once again to Greek Cypriot intrigues. Greek Cypriots would have wanted revenge for the intervention, and if the Turkish troops were not around, there would have been TC blood spilt. After all, the point of the intervention was to save Turkish Cypriot lives and to ensure their well-being. As Greece and the UK were unwilling to fulfil their obligations under the Treaty of Guarantee - before, during, and after the intervention - Turkey IMHO needed to keep troops there. It was either that, or more intercommunal violence...

As the Treaty of Guarantee makes VERY CLEAR, Turkey’s job as a guarantor was to assist Makarios in defeating the coupists and RESTORING the state of affairs and nothing else.

Anything beyond that is poppycock.

After 1963 there was not a constitutional Cypriot government, there was an unconstitutional Greek-Cypriot government for nearly 11 years. It would have been quite improper to restore Makarios.

[DT.]

That is an interesting argument, GR, but there is one main thing that you should remember:

An immediate withdrawal of Turkish Forces from Cyprus after the first intervention would have left the Turkish Cypriot minority on the island vulnerable once again to Greek Cypriot intrigues. Greek Cypriots would have wanted revenge for the intervention, and if the Turkish troops were not around, there would have been TC blood spilt. After all, the point of the intervention was to save Turkish Cypriot lives and to ensure their well-being. As Greece and the UK were unwilling to fulfil their obligations under the Treaty of Guarantee - before, during, and after the intervention - Turkey IMHO needed to keep troops there. It was either that, or more intercommunal violence...

As the Treaty of Guarantee makes VERY CLEAR, Turkey’s job as a guarantor was to assist Makarios in defeating the coupists and RESTORING the state of affairs and nothing else.

Anything beyond that is poppycock.

After 1963 there was not a constitutional Cypriot government, there was an unconstitutional Greek-Cypriot government for nearly 11 years. It would have been quite improper to restore Makarios.

Whether you believe that or not, the only legitimate right Turkey had under the treaty of guarantee was to restore the territorial and constitutional integrity of the Republic of Cyprus under the 1960 constitution.

NOT to partition and setup a foreign separate entity on the island.

[observer]

DT

Whether you believe that or not, the only legitimate right Turkey had under the treaty of guarantee was to restore the territorial and constitutional integrity of the Republic of Cyprus under the 1960 constitution.

NOT to partition and setup a foreign separate entity on the island.

I do believe it. I also believe that Makarios destroyed the 1960 Constitution in 1963. The two views are not incompatable.

At Geneva in August 1974 the leaders of the GC community and the TC community failed to agree on returning to the 1960 constitution and agreed on a BBF. Failure to agree on the details has meant separation for 34 years.

[DT.]

DT

Whether you believe that or not, the only legitimate right Turkey had under the treaty of guarantee was to restore the territorial and constitutional integrity of the Republic of Cyprus under the 1960 constitution.

NOT to partition and setup a foreign separate entity on the island.

I do believe it. I also believe that Makarios destroyed the 1960 Constitution in 1963. The two views are not incompatable.

At Geneva in August 1974 the leaders of the GC community and the TC community failed to agree on returning to the 1960 constitution and agreed on a BBF. Failure to agree on the details has meant separation for 34 years.

The treaty of gaurantee did not state that a guarantor can invade and partition the island in case a BBF is not agreed. It states that the territorial and constituional integrity of the Republic of Cyprus must be restored.

[Nikitas]

"Failure to agree on the details has meant separation for 34 years."

It also meant that we had effective partition and Enosis of the north with Turkey.

[Get Real!]

I also believe that Makarios destroyed the 1960 Constitution in 1963.

I dare you to start a thread and prove this. If not then you're talking HORSESHIT!

[wallace]

i wonder why all of you keep on discussing with these Turkey=fascist state loving plonkers. All history books show who and what they are. Do all of you think you can convince them that the history books are not full of shit??

[wallace]

GR, you're never going to convince me that everything is going to be rosy and hunky-dory on the island should the Green Line imediately disappear... Perhaps not you, but others with decidely anti-Turkish Cypriot ambitions will start their little intrigues again, and the intercommunal villence will recur. And if you think that 'in these enlightened times' such a thing in unthinkable, then you are in a definite state of denial.

Everything will be rosy and hunky-dory when all settlers and turkish troops leave the island. If you think otherwise you are in a definite state of denial.