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[The Cypriot]

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Turkish Invasion of Cyprus Should End! Petition
As described on Wikipedia's section about the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, the operation which was launched on 20 July 1974 was a military operation by Turkey in response to a Greek military-junta-backed coup in Cyprus.

Though it is now 35 years later, the Turkish Army has not been withdrawn from the island, and a subservient 'state' has been created which the army wishes legitimised internationally.

This situation has caused many hardships to Cypriots:

* Lots of Cypriots are not allowed to go back to their own homes
* The government of the Republic of Cyprus has no control over the north of the island.
* Male Turkish Cypriots abroad can't stay longer than a month in the north because of the compulsory military service even if they're 50 years old.
* The Turkish army in the north has the right to do anything without asking the government.
* The Police department in the north can't sue any member of the Turkish armed forces, even if someone is killed, because the police department is subservient to the Turkish Army.
* Turkey controls the money and economy of the so-called government of 'Turkish' Cyprus.
* Property in the north which belongs to expelled Greek Cypriots is being sold at low prices. (The ECJ judgment in April 2009 has caused such transactions to become much harder)
* Since the free health services in 'northern' Cyprus are overstretched, TC's use private hospitals in the north or prefer crossing to the south for treatment.
* Numbers of students in Government schools of the north whose parents are of Cypriot origin are outnumbered 3 to 1 by children of the settlers from Turkey. For this reason, many Turkish Cypriots send their children to private schools or schools in the south.
* Turkish settlers in the north have the ability with their votes to determine the outcome of elections there, as they now outnumber TC votes 2 to 1.

On the other hand, NATO, the United Kingdom and Turkey have benefits from it:

* The U.K and Turkey (and NATO because Turkey is in NATO) have their troops on a strategically important island, as envisaged by the originating 'independence agreements' which made Britain, Greece and Turkey into 'guarantor' powers. (the continuing existence of which, or not, is a 'red-line' issue during current negotiations for a settlement of the Cyprus problem 'By Cypriots for Cypriots'.
* Turkey seeks 'independence' for the north, the right to a say in the south, and acceptance of the ethnic cleansing it created through invasion, in the form of a bizonal and bicommunal settlement while actually talking about two people and two nations, and pursuing Taiwanisation as a solution.
* Turkey has a client state in the north of Cyprus to influence EU matters during its own accession negotiations for entry to the EU.
* Turkey has breached articles of the Geneva Convention on the 'settlement' of 'occupied territory' by its nationals, it has been condemned on numerous occasions over violation of human rights in the territory in northern Cyprus which is under its continuing control.
* Turkish settlers are allowed to work and live in the north, to vote, and they and their children receive free education and health services.


Our aim is to get as many people as we can before the anniversary of the invasion.

Please email and otherwise notify people in your own networks about the existence of this petition, asking them to do the same with their friends and their networks

[Oracle]

My only concern with this (unduly) long list is that the powers that be, may see it worthwhile to tackle the (easier) gripes of living conditions for the TCs in the north, without addressing the primary problem which is complete and total withdrawal of the Turkish army, and an end to illegal influence from Turkey.

This "Police Department" which you mention, being subservient to the Turkish army .... do you recognise it as a legal entity on the island, even though it is not under the jurisdiction of the RoC?

One can envisage what may amount to a substantial solution, resulting in improving a lot of the demands, such as better Military Service conditions for the TCs, without actually solving the real problem. You would, in effect, be setting the scene for a comfortable well-run "state" for the TCs, without even touching the issue of the refugees returning, and that may be considered a worthwhile and sufficient improvement, according to your list of concerns.

Although you, rightfully, mention the refugees first, the word "Lots" is insubstantial to describe the immensely high, relative proportion of displaced people. The sheer number of foreign troops is frightening, yet not mentioned.

Mentioning the GCs' properties being sold at a "low price" rather suggests you would approve, if they were sold at a high price and does not reflect the fact it is illegal and wrong to sell them in the first place.

Also, do you really think reminding them of the benefits to NATO and the UK of this (illegal) arrangement, would be positive to the main aim?

[Raymanoff]

Oh, gotta quickly buy some Samsonite shares...

[The Cypriot]

My only concern with this (unduly) long list is that the powers that be, may see it worthwhile to tackle the (easier) gripes of living conditions for the TCs in the north, without addressing the primary problem which is complete and total withdrawal of the Turkish army, and an end to illegal influence from Turkey.

This "Police Department" which you mention, being subservient to the Turkish army .... do you recognise it as a legal entity on the island, even though it is not under the jurisdiction of the RoC?

One can envisage what may amount to a substantial solution, resulting in improving a lot of the demands, such as better Military Service conditions for the TCs, without actually solving the real problem. You would, in effect, be setting the scene for a comfortable well-run "state" for the TCs, without even touching the issue of the refugees returning, and that may be considered a worthwhile and sufficient improvement, according to your list of concerns.

Although you, rightfully, mention the refugees first, the word "Lots" is insubstantial to describe the immensely high, relative proportion of displaced people. The sheer number of foreign troops is frightening, yet not mentioned.

Mentioning the GCs' properties being sold at a "low price" rather suggests you would approve, if they were sold at a high price and does not reflect the fact it is illegal and wrong to sell them in the first place.

Also, do you really think reminding them of the benefits to NATO and the UK of this (illegal) arrangement, would be positive to the main aim?

I believe the petition was produced by TCs, from a TC perspective. Send them your comments:

http://www.turkishinvasioncyprus.com/co ... hp?lang=en

[Oracle]

I believe the petition was produced by TCs, from a TC perspective. Send them your comments:

http://www.turkishinvasioncyprus.com/co ... hp?lang=en

For a number of reasons, I assumed you helped to produce it ....

[The Cypriot]

I believe the petition was produced by TCs, from a TC perspective. Send them your comments:

http://www.turkishinvasioncyprus.com/co ... hp?lang=en

For a number of reasons, I assumed you helped to produce it ....

No, not at all. Not directly or actively anyway.

[Oracle]

I believe the petition was produced by TCs, from a TC perspective. Send them your comments:

http://www.turkishinvasioncyprus.com/co ... hp?lang=en

For a number of reasons, I assumed you helped to produce it ....

No, not at all. Not directly or actively anyway.

Then it is your inspiration or spirit, which I sensed

Still, perhaps you could comment on the content .... or do you endorse it fully?

[The Cypriot]

I think it's more the spirit of the times (zeitgeist) that you're sensing.

I think it's an interesting insight into how some TCs seem to be feeling now. And I don't disagree with any of your observations.

[Oracle]

I think it's more the spirit of the times (zeitgeist) that you're sensing.

I think it's an interesting insight into how some TCs seem to be feeling now. And I don't disagree with any of your observations.

Then nothing much has changed ....

It is primarily a petition to improve the living conditions of the TCs (e.g. more lenient MS, low prices for selling GC homes) in the "... subservient 'state' ...." Worryingly, they also add a reminder of how useful Cyprus is to UK, Turkey and NATO.

With analysis, it appears cleverly produced, to maintain the status quo but with improvements to the TCs' lot; and I hope Cypriots take the time to digest it before (not) signing .....

[The Cypriot]

Maintain the status quo?

From the site.

"Turkish Invasion of Cyprus Should End!"
We the undersigned wish to make known our demand that Turkey should withdraw all its troops from Cyprus and allow a "Solution for Cypriots by Cypriots".

Oracle, you really do my head in.

I hope you take the time to digest that before bothering me with any more of your nonsense.