This is the last time I respond to you P, cos your outrageous hatred of Turks is a disgrace.
If you lived in the UK and I knew who you were, I would push for you to be prosecuted for incitement to racial hatred! In fact, I am going to do just that, print these comments and take them to the authorities to see how an EU member state can allow comments such as these on a daily basis.
I am just standing historical facts Rude girl. I am not advocating racist discriminations, violations of human rights or illegalities. This is what you do. You are the one who is supporting and promoting illegal things, not me. If stating historical facts is something that you can sue me, then go sue the American Congress as well for having in his website things like:
In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.
The reason I am stating these and other facts is that
YOU insist to present Greek Cypriots as the evil ones that now deserve to be punished in eternity by violating their human rights and stealing their land.
So please stop selectively choosing a tiny bit of history to excuse illegalities and crimes of today.
I am sad for GCs forced out of their homes, but this was matched by TCs forced out of their homes and forced into ghettos and enclaves since Dec 1963. Some of your people have been refugees for 32 years, some of mine for 43 years? Is this about scoring points? I don't think so!
First of all what you say is not historically correct since in 1968 most TCs had returned to their homes. GReek Cypriots had never claimed the TC land as their own. In fact that land still belongs to the original TC owners.
As I have asked you many times I will ask you again: Why you do not accept that
all refugees should have the right to return to their homes and the human and democratic rights of all to be respected? You keep rejecting legality and then you come and complain about "43 years of TC refugees".
TCs took twice the amount of land that they left behind. They are not refugees but went to the north after Turkey had invaded to realize their dream for partition.
Please prove me wrong and accept that all people should return to their own homes. So far you are proving me right.
If it's OK for you to work around refugee problem and utilise what's available for your people post 74, then it should also be OK for TCs? Or is it one rule for GCs and another for TCs? You cannot have your cake and eat it!
1) Our refugees
temporarily live in TC property until
you accept legality and they are allowed to return to their own homes.
2) Our refugees were not given titles to the TC properties, however TCs were given "titles" to the GC properties.
3) Those TC properties are not sold to foreigners for profit, unfortunately you do this for GC properties.
4) Our refugees pray that they will return to their own homes in the now occupied Cyprus. Most TCs are more that satisfied with the much more land they received in the occupied areas and they prefer to keep that land instead of getting back their own.
Past is past. We have ALL suffered! I am not interested in who suffered more. What I want to see is a comprehensive solution.
To this we agree. Our difference is that I want to see a solution that will give to all Cypriots their human and democratic rights, while you expect that the solution should be the legalization of the human rights violations of Greek Cypriots. (e.g. Annan plan)
Sadly, we are not living in an ideal world and given that all GCs want to return to their pre-74 homes, and most TCs want bi-zonal solution, then some compromise is inevitable if the "together" solution is to happen. If not compromise, then it's permanent partition, or this war of attrition or, God forbid, another war.
A person wanting his own property back is his basic human right. Nobody can deny this to him. However there is no right of "kick people out of their homes so you can have an ethnically pure area of your own race", TCs simply have no right for asking this.
Yes, we can compromise, and accept that TCs can have a separate region, but you have to make some true compromise as well, e.g. abandon your veto power, in return. It seems to me that TCs expect that this "New Cyprus" should be much better for them and much worst for GCs than what the 1960 agreements were. Why should we accept that?
So P, you & your people need to think long & hard about how you can change to adapt to today's realities. Less finger-pointing and more inward looking, as many TCs did in 2004, resulting in 65% saying yes to joint state. It may be a shock for you, but this was a major move away from supporting the TRNC and many are now wondering why they bothered.
Annan plan was rejected by GCs and accepted by TCs exactly because it gave to TCs the 90% of what they ever wanted (partition+recognition+money+EU) and it gave to GCs almost nothing apart from even more problems.
Annan plan was solving the Problems of TCs and Turkey (isolation - recognition, EU accession) and not only it didn't solve the problems of GCs (human and democratic rights violations) it created more by establishing a dysfunctional racists state than similar existed nowhere else in the whole world.
As we said before a solution should be "win-win" the Annan plan was not and it was naturally rejected by Greek Cypriots.
Not just because of GC no vote, but because of other ongoing GC violations against them (accepting past is past is one thing, but current violations against TCs by GCs are another and if you are reading the TC press this week, you would see the rising tide of anger!). Here are some recent GC actions:
Rude girl, maybe you forgot that we are in war because Turkey illegally occupies 1/3rd of Cyprus. Your and our suffering will end if you accept legality and human rights
for all. As long as you insist on the illegal occupation and on the violation of our human rights expect from us to retaliate. What did you expect really? That you could violate our human, legal and democratic rights, illegally occupy 1/3rd of our Republic of Cyprus etc, and that we would not respond?
As I told you before it is either "win - win" or "loss - loss".
This Piratis is what is now driving people back to TRNC support. GCs have not changed. Your comments (I am so sad to say) while at extreme end of spectrum do seem to be typical of many on this forum, so if you cannot connect with me in a respectful way, treat my Turkishness in a respectful way, help me/my people find a way to live and enjoy the Global Village until we can all find a comprehensive settlement, where is your respect of our rights?
But Rude girl, I already told you: Lets give to
ALL people their rights back. Why you do not accept this? You are the one who insist on racist separation and discrimination of people and in human rights violations, not me.
What you tell me is: "I will not respect your human rights, I will not give your land back and I will insist on illegalities. So until a solution is found you should suffer alone because of my illegal actions and let me enjoy my life as if nothing is happening". And then you ad: "oh, and by the way, you either accept the solution that I want, or my illegalities will continue. But who cares, since I can be illegal and suffer no consequences anyways"
So Rude girl it is either we all get our rights, or none gets them. Your theory that TCs should get their rights while at the same time they stop GCs form getting theirs is something that will not allow to happen.
Even if we can't agree on every detail in history, we can at least agree much suffering happened to all. But let's stop this nonsense of today of everyone accusing the other side of who was worse or the 2 sides will drift further apart. It is a growing reality! Capiche?
I agree with what you say. All I say is that
today the human and democratic rights of all people should be respected in a united Cyprus without racist discriminations. Have I ever asked for the punishment of TCs or even Turkey because of their past actions? Past is past, lets start something correct today based on universally accepted principles. Why not?
