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[insan]

Sorry forgot to mention... I didn't obtain passport from the so-called RoC authorities but I obtained my id in about 3 weeks just affirming the truthfullness of the information on my TRNC id with my sign and swearing at a GC court.

Other documents they asked for:

Birth certificate of my father and my mother.

Ps: I don't remember if I put my hand on bible when I swore at the court.

[Kikapu]

The Ataturk revolutions and modernization movement had a great influence on TC community in especially 30s and afterwards. For example hat and dress revolution, using the latin alphabet instead of Arab alphabet etc.

Agreed, but name change was not so important it seems, or else TCs would have adopted that part of the "revolution" also. They did not.

Just like Greek nationalism appeared in Cyprus after the Greek independence war, Turkish nationalism and it's influence on TC community appeared after; even during the Turkish independence war.

Not the name change, however.!

In my opinion, those TCs who considered themselves as descendants of Turks or Turkish origin were willing to embrace and spread the Ataturk revolutions among TC community... Was there something wrong with it, in age of nationalism? I think it's not...

Once again, the TCs did not feel the need to change their names to become the same soundings as the Anatolians across small body of water. Why was that, Insan.? Could it be that the TCs were willing to only change so much, but not to a degree of losing their Cypriot identity as the case has began to happen after 1974 once Turkey had occupied the north. This can only be by force and coercion, since the TCs had 50 years or so to change their names like the Turks did in Turkey, but chose not to do so.

I personally am against imposition of national values and principles on citizens of a country but it seems during the natinalization of nation states almost all countries imposed their national values and principles on their citizens regardless of ethnic origin of their citizens...

The north is not a country and neither is Turkey the new masters of the TCs, even though they sure act that way with the blessing of our Fascist elements of the TC population in the north to impose their "national values" on the TCs. Since the whole establishment of the "trnc" is an illegal act, so are it's "national values" imposed on the TCs. Lets see what will happen to all those TCs who were forced to change their names once a settlement is reached in Cyprus under one country and one citizenship. Will the TCs go back to their original names they had before 1974, or will they in fact keep them.?

Before the surname law passed, a TC was called, eg; Ahmet(Son) Mehmet(Father) Zekai(Grand father)... after the surname law passed; either Mr. Mehmet chose a new surname or kept Zekai as his surname and became Mehmet Zekai and his son became Ahmet Zekai.

In another words, Ahmet (the son) was forced to change his name he grew up with from being Ahmet Mehmet to Ahmet Zekai, because Ahmet was not allowed to keep Mehmet as his last name, nor was he allowed to take on another name other than Zekai, was he.? Don't you think Ahmet was forced to take on a new identity despite Zekai being his grand fathers name or be given a totally strange name both to Ahmet and Mehmet the father. But lets assume Mehmet named Ahmet his fathers name of Zekai at birth and not Ahmet, which meant that after the forced name change, his name would become Zekai Zekai and not Zekai Mehmet.! What if he hated the name Zekai, and now he had two of them, one after the other.!

If Mr. Mehmet was the first who registered the surname as Zekai; others who wanted to choose the same surname were not allowed to register the same surname bcz one of the purpose of surname law was to elliminate the difficulties arise from people owning the same name and surnames.

Once again you are confirming the fascism in this forced name change laws, Insan. People had to change their names so that no two families had the same name as a surname. Just what difficulties could there be if more than one family had the same name.? None, because in the past there have been multiple same last names and I do not record there being complication, other than perhaps in trying to form ones family tree. I believe it was something more sinister than that. It was to individualise and compartmentalize families as to who is well know and who is not, who is more important and who is not, who is rich and who is not, who has influence and who does not and so on. Denktash didn't have to change his name, but anyone else who may have had Denktash for a name outside his family, were forced to. This is no different than Hitler writing numbers on the skins of the Jews during Nazi Germany to be able to identify them more easily.!

Let me tell you a short story that occurred during my sailing adventures. We were anchored about a 100 meters off the beach in Margarita island, Venezuela and one evening we were invited to come onto another boat for a drink which was also anchored close to us. He was an Englishman and his wife was from Venezuela. Anyway, soon there was a voice coming from the beach someone calling out to get the attention of a certain boat. It wasn't for us nor to our host, but the after a while the Englishman jumped into his dinghy and went ashore. Well, what he did was, he picked up the lady ashore and took her to the boat she was trying to get their attention and then he came to join us, which his wife asked what was the name of the person he delivered to the other boat. He said "I did not ask for her name" in which his wife started complaining to him that ones name was very important in Venezuela and that the name was everything to know who that person was and their family as far as how they stood in status of importance and the influence of their family. She was so upset towards the end, they almost started to argue, because to her a persons name was everything and to the Englishman, it was of no importance, so he never asked.

So, Insan, the moral of the story was, does the north want to create a name based society, so that when someone says the name Zekai, everyone will know who the Zekai's are. More like the Aristocrats of the north who want to keep their status above all the rift rafts of commoners with the same name as theirs, so force them to change the names of the commoners to something more strange and different the name of all those on top of the totem pole. I see the whole process of name change to be very racist and fascistic. There can be no other names given to them, can they, Insan.?