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[Cap]

Yeah, first thing that came to my mind was 'What's the catch'?

[runaway]

Why don't you two love-birds PM your Turkish trash and spare us the vulgarity of your ugly graphemes ...

Wash the matter, you feel left out. I was sticking up for you, but next time I will not?

εάν την έγραψαν στα ελληνικά αντ' αυτού, αυτός θα καθιστούσε σας την αίσθηση καλύτερη;

Once again you are wrong, Expat. I don't exchange with anyone in Greek as a general rule, apart from the merest colloquialisms which are familiar to most forumers because they fly back and forth between Greeks, GCs, Brits, Arabs, Jews and Turk-TCs.

It is a matter of runaway making personal attacks because his arguments have dried up/never existed. In which case he should not post. Instead he resorts, cowardly, to hide behind Turkish. (A parody perhaps.)

But, of course you would back him up as you are, logically, no better ...

another post for you: "mama" Oracle defol

[YFred]

Why don't you two love-birds PM your Turkish trash and spare us the vulgarity of your ugly graphemes ...

Wash the matter, you feel left out. I was sticking up for you, but next time I will not?

εάν την έγραψαν στα ελληνικά αντ' αυτού, αυτός θα καθιστούσε σας την αίσθηση καλύτερη;

Once again you are wrong, Expat. I don't exchange with anyone in Greek as a general rule, apart from the merest colloquialisms which are familiar to most forumers because they fly back and forth between Greeks, GCs, Brits, Arabs, Jews and Turk-TCs.

It is a matter of runaway making personal attacks because his arguments have dried up/never existed. In which case he should not post. Instead he resorts, cowardly, to hide behind Turkish. (A parody perhaps.)

But, of course you would back him up as you are, logically, no better ...

another post for you: "mama" Oracle defol

I think you'll find that Dettol would be more effective against this little vermin.

[Oracle]

Britain implies readiness to discuss Cyprus guarantees

2009-11-24 00:54:12

NICOSIA, Nov. 23 -- Britain will not stand in the way of a possible solution to Cyprus problem, visiting British Minister for Europe Chris Bryant said on Monday.

He added that London can discuss anything that would help ongoing efforts to solve the Cyprus problem, implying that Britain is ready to discuss the issue of guarantees.

Britain, along with Turkey and Greece, are guarantors of the independence and territorial integrity under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee, which led to the independence of Cyprus from Britain, the then colonial power.

"We have made it very clear on many occasions that Britain is there to help and we would not want to stand in the way of a solution so if there is any way in which that became the issue, then we would want to be of assistance," he told reporters after a meeting with Cyprus President Demetris Christofias.

However, Bryant noted it was not a matter on the table at the moment between Christofias and Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat.

The British government has recently repeated an older offer to hand back almost half the territory of its military bases in Cyprus, provided the leaders of the two communities in Cyprus reach a solution.

Christofias, also the Greek Cypriot leader, and Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat are currently engaged for almost 15 months in talks aimed at reaching an agreement to end the partition of Cyprus since the 1974 military intervention by Turkey, which invoked rights emanating from the Treaty of Guarantee.

The Greek Cypriot side is asking for the abrogation of the Treaty, saying that the European Union, of which Cyprus is a member, does offer adequate guarantee to both Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities.

Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots are insisting on maintaining the present system of guarantee.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009- ... 527367.htm

[Oracle]

Britain Urges Turkey to Open Ports to Cyprus as Pledged

By REUTERS
Published: November 23, 2009
Filed at 6:54 a.m. ET

NICOSIA (Reuters) - Britain urged Turkey on Monday to honour a pledge to the European Union to open its ports and airports to neighbouring Cyprus, saying it would be an important step in Ankara's talks to join the bloc.

Turkey has no diplomatic relations with Cyprus, an EU member since 2004, but is under pressure to make good a promise to open its ports to its southern neighbour under a deal which enabled it to start accession talks in 2005.

"I urge the Turkish government to honour the commitments that it has already made. We would like to see the ports opened, we'd like to see them making that commitment again and seeing action rather than just words," said British Minister for Europe Chris Bryant.

Turkish compliance with its commitments will be discussed by EU heads of state at a summit in mid-December.

Cyprus was divided in a Turkish invasion in 1974 triggered by a brief Greek-inspired coup. The conflict has slowed Turkey's EU entry talks at the urging of Greek Cypriots, who represent the island in the 27-member bloc.

"We don't want (Turkey's accession process) to stop, we don't want to slam the door shut. We think it is really important that the process towards EU accession of Turkey is maintained as a strong possibility," Bryant told reporters in Nicosia, Cyprus's ethnically partitioned capital.

The northern third of Cyprus is a breakaway Turkish Cypriot state recognised only by Ankara.

Greek and Turkish Cypriots started slow-moving peace talks in September 2008 in an attempt to unite the island under a federal umbrella. The two communities live apart, split by a United Nations-patrolled buffer zone. Britain is one of the largest contributors to the peacekeeping force.

Although the peace talks and Turkey's EU membership negotiations are separate processes, a breakthrough on one is likely to have a positive impact on the other.

Cyprus is a former British colony and Britain is a guarantor power of Cypriot sovereignty.

Britain recently offered to relinquish up to half of the sovereign territory it retained in Cyprus, about three percent of its landmass now used partially for military purposes. The offer is contingent on a peace deal between the two Cypriot sides.

(Writing by Michele Kambas; Editing by Victoria Main)

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/11/ ... urkey.html

[Malapapa]

He added that London can discuss anything that would help ongoing efforts to solve the Cyprus problem, implying that Britain is ready to discuss the issue of guarantees.

Too right we should discuss the issue of guarantees. "Where were you in 1974, o guarantor of Cypriot sovereignty?" Is the first topic of discussion. "What compensation should you pay for renaging on your commitments?" Is the second topic.

[Get Real!]

Britain implies readiness to discuss Cyprus guarantees

If Britain ever has any funny ideas about becoming a Cyprus “guarantor” again, then Christofias should inform her that there’s plenty of work waiting for her in the form of 40,000 illegal Turkish troops and their gypsy settlers in the occupied territory of Cyprus, because her “guarantee” is NOT required against countries like Malta and Lebanon thank you very much...

[Expatkiwi]

A BBC article regarding Britain and Cyprus...

Can Cyprus overcome its bloody history?

By Chris Summers
BBC News


More British soldiers were killed during the "Cyprus emergency" in the 1950s than have died in Iraq or Afghanistan. So why has it been forgotten and what hope is there of reuniting the island?



The British High Commissioner laid a wreath on behalf of the Queen
On Remembrance Sunday, about 500 relatives and veterans watched as a new memorial was unveiled in Kyrenia, in Turkish-occupied northern Cyprus, to recognise the 371 British servicemen who lost their lives on the island between 1956 and 1959.

The unveiling, and the laying of a wreath by the British High Commissioner, Peter Millett, sparked a diplomatic row, with President Demetris Christofias raising the matter when he met UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown a few days later.

One of the names on the memorial is Corporal Mervyn Whurr, 22, killed by a bomb on Kyrenia's Six Mile Beach in September 1956.

His sister, Barbara Hocking, from Millbrook in Cornwall, said: "My mum had a telegram saying he'd been injured, then she got another one saying he had an arm and a leg amputated. A few days later another telegram came saying he'd died."



He loved his football, he was full of fun, playing jokes and was very popular with his mates.

Margaret Moncur
Unlike those of troops killed in Afghanistan, his body, like those of most of the Cyprus casualties, was not flown home and lies in a cemetery at Wayne's Keep on the island.

Mrs Hocking was at the unveiling of the memorial, where she was joined by Margaret Moncur, whose brother 19-year-old Matt Neely, from Glasgow, was killed in 1956 by a bomb while doing his National Service.

Mrs Moncur said: "He loved his football, he was full of fun, playing jokes and was very popular with his mates.

"For some reason Cyprus has become a forgotten war."

The Cyprus High Commissioner to London, Alexandros Zenon, said the failure to consult the Cyprus government about the memorial was perceived as an "insult".


BRITISH MILITARY DEATHS
Cyprus (1955-1959) - 371
Afghanistan (2002 - 2009) - 235
Iraq (2003-2009) - 179


In pictures: Divided Nicosia
He said: "In principle we are not against a country honouring its soldiers who fell in service.

"The problem is that the memorial was built and unveiled in the occupied part of Cyprus. It could have been erected in the British sovereign base area.

"We also feel it's politically premature. I understand they want to honour them, but for Greek Cypriots the anti-colonial struggle is still a very sensitive issue."

In the late 1950s the British Empire was trying to cling on to the island, which remained a strategic location, especially around the time of the Suez crisis.

Greek Cypriot fighters belonging to an organisation called Eoka planted bombs and attacked British servicemen on and off duty.

Several civilians were also killed, including Catherine Cutliffe and her daughter Margaret who were shot while buying a wedding dress in Famagusta, although Eoka denied responsibility for that attack.



Greece's PM visits the graves of those killed fighting the British
Eventually in 1960 Cyprus was granted independence, but tensions between the Greek Cypriot majority and the Turkish Cypriot minority grew during the next decade.

In July 1974 a Greek nationalist group, Eoka-B, led by Nikos Sampson, carried out a coup backed by the military junta in power in Athens.

Sampson promised to unite Cyprus with Greece in so-called "enosis".

Turkey sent its army to the northern part of the island, ostensibly to protect Turkish Cypriots.

The idea of enosis evaporated and the moderate Archbishop Makarios returned to power.

But the Turkish Army has remained ever since and the island is still separated, with a UN buffer zone running right through the heart of Nicosia, the world's last remaining divided city.



Mr Christofias (left) and Mr Talat met last week for the latest round of talks.
In 2004 the United Nations came up with the Annan Plan - named after the then UN Secretary General Kofi Annan - which suggested a bi-zonal federated state.

But, although it was accepted by the Turkish Cypriots in a referendum, another poll in the south rejected it.

Cyprus was then admitted into the EU, which many Turkish Cypriots opposed believing it removed an incentive for the Greek Cypriot side to reach a solution.

But fresh momentum was injected with the election of Mr Christofias and Mehmet Ali Talat, president of the self-declared Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC).

Both are leftists elected on a platform of reconciliation.

Negotiations are ongoing, but one of the major stumbling blocks is the question of how to deal with Greek Cypriots who claim land and property in the north.

Some of this has been sold to some of the 6,000 British expats in northern Cyprus.

In what could prove to be a test case, a court in Cyprus ruled against a couple, David and Linda Orams, who bought land originally belonging to a Greek Cypriot, Meletis Apostolides.


There are fears that if no deal is reached before elections in the TRNC in April what Mr Brown referred to as a "unique opportunity" could be lost.

Mr Zenon said: "The likely opponent of Mr Talat is a hardliner and if he is elected, things will not be made easier. But we will not create artificial deadlines which, as with the Annan Plan, have proved disastrous."

Mr Talat himself, in an interview with the BBC, admitted: "If somebody who is not in favour of a bi-zonal solution is elected then the negotiations will not continue easily."

He said of the negotiations: "The positions of the two sides are not very close, but we are making progress."

Mr Brown recently renewed an offer to hand back just under half of the UK's sovereign base areas on the island - around Akrotiri and Dhekelia - if a deal could be reached between the two sides.



Cpl Mervyn Whurr was one of 371 servicemen killed in Cyprus
Andrew Dismore, Labour MP for Hendon in north London, feels the timing of the Kyrenia memorial was unfortunate.

He represents more than 3,000 Greek Cypriot constituents and recently led a debate in Parliament about the island.

Mr Dismore said: "Of course, there should be a memorial, but this is neither the time or place, at such a sensitive time in the talks.

"It just serves to remind Greek Cypriots of the UK's less than glorious role as the colonial power, when we are trying to be positive in our support for the talks."

But Mr Talat said the memorial was a "humanitarian" issue and should not have become "politicised".

Mrs Hocking said it was sad the memorial had led to a row and she said of her brother's death: "Was it worth it? The two governments are still not talking. Was it worth all those lives being wasted? It's just like Afghanistan."

[SKI-preo]

Expat Kiwi congrats on NZ's progress to the world cup. I fly to NZ most months and prefer to Ski there. You have some very backward undemocratic and dark age views for someone from such a progressive and democratic nation as New Zealand. I'm curious how you got there. Maybe you have been around the Hill Billies of Arkansas too long. Are you in the KKK?

The "offer" of SBA land is a halfarsed attempt by the Brits to try to legitimize the SBA's as some commentators consider that the London and Zurich Agreements creating the SBA's may not hold water if tested say in the Hague or wherever. If a new Settlement is reached contemplating the land the Brits prose to hand over it will firmly re-establishes the SBA's occupying the slab of land the Brits propose to hold onto. Nice try.

[Get Real!]

BRITISH MILITARY DEATHS
Cyprus (1955-1959) - 371
Afghanistan (2002 - 2009) - 235
Iraq (2003-2009) - 179

The best way for Britain to ensure that no more of her people get hurt or die is to…


STAY PUT IN YOUR OWN LAND STUPID!