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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:28 pm

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denizaksulu wrote:Oracle, there is never any justification for the killing of innocents;NEVER. For once in your life and on this forum, show compassion for ALL the innocents. OMG, I am getting a headache. :twisted:

Condemn the B----y murderers of this little child.


Where have I said there was justification?

I condemn the Turks for invading Cyprus and causing the loss of lives of many thousands of innocents.

Stop trying to excuse Turkey's vital role in this crime ....



CONDEMN THE MURDERERS OF THE LITTLE BABY ORACLE.

i CAN CONDEMN tcS WHO HAVE DONE THE SAME. :twisted:


Who pulled the bloody trigger?
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Postby umit07 » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:29 pm

denizaksulu wrote:Oracle, there is never any justification for the killing of innocents;NEVER. For once in your life and on this forum, show compassion for ALL the innocents. OMG, I am getting a headache. :twisted:

Condemn the B----y murderers of this little child.


In regards to Oracle, to this day we are yet to see any sign of compassion against any TC, even a 16 day old baby. She is blinded by her hate and fascist views to an extent beyond repair. Out of everyone on this forum I'd have to say that O's logic scares the crap out of me.

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Postby Piratis » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:34 pm

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Piratis wrote:While the brutal Ottoman rule had ended just a couple of decades earlier, the Greek Cypriots did not seek any revenge against the TCs, but on the contrary they cooperated more and more with them (although the British did not exactly encourage this).

The hostilities between the two communities restarted only when the TCs started to cooperate again with the foreign Imperialists (UK/Turkey) in order to regain Ottoman style privileges for themselves on the expense of all other Cypriots.

The historical facts show that the Cypriot people are forgiving people and do not seek revenge for things that happened in the past, but are also people who appreciate democracy and human rights and are always willing to fight against those who are trying to deprive them from these rights.


:shock: Try telling that to the remainder of my relatives of Sandallar village. And Murataga. And Attlilar as well.


Are you talking about the approximately 200 people who were killed during the war you started and while you were killing 1000s and ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots?

I said Greek Cypriots will not seek revenge for things that happened in the past. I didn't say that they will not fight back while they are attacked. On the contrary I said: "are also people who appreciate democracy and human rights and are always willing to fight against those who are trying to deprive them from these rights".


One of the victims of these massacres was a 16 day old baby. How can a 16 day old baby attack anybody?


Ask the Turks why they invaded Cyprus and killed 1000s of innocent people (including children) and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of innocent people (including children) and raped women and under age girls.

Funny how the aggressors are trying to present themselves as the victims because they also had a few losses in the war they started. The Germans had millions of casualties during WWII (including children), should they now pretend to be the victims of that war?

If for the Turks a coup that was made by the Athens Junta and a tiny minority of Cypriots can be an excuse to invade Cyprus and collectively punish all Greek Cypriots, then surely all TCs should also be collectively responsible for the crimes their community and Turkey commits, right?

Those who support that the Turkish invasion was in any way justified, should also accept that the reaction of those GCs was also justified.

My position is that the Turkish invasion was not justified and that if the Turks had not invaded killing 1000s of GCs, then those 200 or so TCs wouldn't have died either.

So 74LB, was the Turkish invasion justified, yes or no? You can't justify the killing of 1000s and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of innocent people just because they are GCs, and not also justify the killing of 200 people just because they are TCs.

If you don't justify the Turkish invasion and the mentality of collective punishment then I challenge you to say it clearly, and blame Turkey for acting wrongly and starting a war which resulted in the death of innocent people.
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:37 pm

On point of principle, I have stated before that I do not condemn any individual circumstances of which I am not in full possession of the facts. Who am I to sit in judgement?

What I do condemn, and have done all along, are the circumstances which give rise to the loss of ALL innocent lives and these circumstances are due to the Turkish invasion, the facts of which are undeniable.

What I also will not be a party to is your sick use of this poor baby, to JUSTIFY the INVASION by TURKEY.

All innocent lives lost under any circumstances are condemnable ....
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:40 pm

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denizaksulu wrote:Oracle, there is never any justification for the killing of innocents;NEVER. For once in your life and on this forum, show compassion for ALL the innocents. OMG, I am getting a headache. :twisted:

Condemn the B----y murderers of this little child.


In regards to Oracle, to this day we are yet to see any sign of compassion against any TC, even a 16 day old baby. She is blinded by her hate and fascist views to an extent beyond repair. Out of everyone on this forum I'd have to say that O's logic scares the crap out of me.

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TC or GC ... you are the racist who does not accept ALL innocent lives lost under any circumstances should be condemned ... and NOT just because they are TC or GC.

By continuing in this manner, with your crocodile tears, it is because you want to justify the Turkish invasion and no more ...

So give it a rest!
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Postby umit07 » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:46 pm

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denizaksulu wrote:Oracle, there is never any justification for the killing of innocents;NEVER. For once in your life and on this forum, show compassion for ALL the innocents. OMG, I am getting a headache. :twisted:

Condemn the B----y murderers of this little child.


In regards to Oracle, to this day we are yet to see any sign of compassion against any TC, even a 16 day old baby. She is blinded by her hate and fascist views to an extent beyond repair. Out of everyone on this forum I'd have to say that O's logic scares the crap out of me.

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TC or GC ... you are the racist who does not accept ALL innocent lives lost under any circumstances should be condemned ... and NOT just because they are TC or GC.


who said I don't!

I do condemn all civilian lives lost no matter what the ethnic background.

What you are trying to do is use the excuse of Turkey invading as an excuse for the killing of innocent people.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:52 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Oracle, there is never any justification for the killing of innocents;NEVER. For once in your life and on this forum, show compassion for ALL the innocents. OMG, I am getting a headache. :twisted:

Condemn the B----y murderers of this little child.


Where have I said there was justification?

I condemn the Turks for invading Cyprus and causing the loss of lives of many thousands of innocents.

Stop trying to excuse Turkey's vital role in this crime ....



CONDEMN THE MURDERERS OF THE LITTLE BABY ORACLE.

i CAN CONDEMN tcS WHO HAVE DONE THE SAME. :twisted:


Who pulled the bloody trigger?


That is correct Deniz. And the answer to "who pulled the trigger" is Turkey on 20th of July of 1974. In 1974 no TC was killed until Turkey, with the support of TC extremists, invaded and started killing innocent GCs by the 1000s.

Our side has clearly and officially condemned the coup and everything that resulted in the death or suffering of TCs, and also jailed the leaders of the Junta and the Coup.

On the other hand the Turkish side continues to celebrate their crimes against innocent people, and continue to insist on the collective punishment of all Greek Cypriots and refuses to accept the equality of all Cypriot citizens without racist discriminations.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:55 pm

umit07 wrote:
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denizaksulu wrote:Oracle, there is never any justification for the killing of innocents;NEVER. For once in your life and on this forum, show compassion for ALL the innocents. OMG, I am getting a headache. :twisted:

Condemn the B----y murderers of this little child.


In regards to Oracle, to this day we are yet to see any sign of compassion against any TC, even a 16 day old baby. She is blinded by her hate and fascist views to an extent beyond repair. Out of everyone on this forum I'd have to say that O's logic scares the crap out of me.

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TC or GC ... you are the racist who does not accept ALL innocent lives lost under any circumstances should be condemned ... and NOT just because they are TC or GC.


who said I don't!

I do condemn all civilian lives lost no matter what the ethnic background.

What you are trying to do is use the excuse of Turkey invading as an excuse for the killing of innocent people.


Do you excuse the Turkish invasion?
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:56 pm

Oracle wrote:On point of principle, I have stated before that I do not condemn any individual circumstances of which I am not in full possession of the facts. Who am I to sit in judgement?

What I do condemn, and have done all along, are the circumstances which give rise to the loss of ALL innocent lives and these circumstances are due to the Turkish invasion, the facts of which are undeniable.

What I also will not be a party to is your sick use of this poor baby, to JUSTIFY the INVASION by TURKEY.

All innocent lives lost under any circumstances are condemnable ....



A sigh of relief. But the baby's death occured after the Turks landed. It could not therefore have caused it.

Sorry for putting you through so much pain.!!
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Postby 74LB » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:59 pm

umit07 wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Oracle, there is never any justification for the killing of innocents;NEVER. For once in your life and on this forum, show compassion for ALL the innocents. OMG, I am getting a headache. :twisted:

Condemn the B----y murderers of this little child.


In regards to Oracle, to this day we are yet to see any sign of compassion against any TC, even a 16 day old baby. She is blinded by her hate and fascist views to an extent beyond repair. Out of everyone on this forum I'd have to say that O's logic scares the crap out of me.

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Tend to agree with you here - we are dealing with a mindset that is so so dangerous.
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