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[erolz]

Cyprus is a far safer place to get stationed. In terms of violence, except when the Turks shot some civilians in the head in 1996, nothing much has happened there for 31 years

Some civilans? I believe it was only a single civilan that was shot - a 'civilian' that had forced his way past the ineffective UN border guards who proceeded to try and pull down a Turkish flag in the Turkish army sector of the buffer zone. Just the sort of 'macho' mindset indicating more 'balls' than sense that caused so much death and pain and suffering in Cyprus' past. Do not get me wrong I do not condone the action taken by the Turkish army in this case - I would have prefered they shot him in the leg and then jailed him myself, but if you purposely stick your hand into a lions cage and the lion rips your arm off, it's not just the lion that is to blame imo.

Nothing much has happened for the 31 years that the Turkish army has been in Cyprus. Before that of course there was much murder and oppression and violence and pain and suffering on both sides, though that TC community as the smaller and weaker community bore a greater proportion of that pain and suffering and death. And you wonder why we want 'gurantees' in any future settlment?

[Agios Amvrosios]

I accept your correction Erol, the other civilian was not shot he died of massive head injuries after being beaten to death with iron bars. Why? for going somewhere he had every legal right to go.

bore a greater proportion of that pain and suffering and death

Erol , more melodramatic exageration and melodrama?

The Turkish Cypriot minority bore jack shit. The dozen idiots who violently opposed over 80% of the population got what they had coming.

[erolz]

bore a greater proportion of that pain and suffering and death

Erol , more melodramatic exageration and melodrama?

What is melodramtic in my statement? You deny that their was violence and murder and pain and suffering in Cyprus prior to 74 (and pain far in excess of loosing some land btw). You think it is an exageration to say that the TC community as the smaller weaker community bore the brunt? That's not exageration that's just reality.

The Turkish Cypriot minority bore jack shit.

Your contempt for the suffering of TC in this period seems to have no bounds. Shall I tell my fatherless cousinns and husbandless aunt that the TC community bore 'jack shit' in this period?

The dozen idiots who violently opposed over 80% of the population got what they had coming.

This is just an insulting pervsion of the reality of what was happening in Cyprus in the period 63-74. You can sit there and claim that a dozen (tc) idiots were murdered and they had it comming to them, when in fact many hundreds of TC were killed in this period by GC, and many thousands were drvien from their homes by GC violence and fear of GC violence - and then you hacve the gall to complain of my 'exageration'!

[magikthrill]

Do not get me wrong I do not condone the action taken by the Turkish army in this case - I would have prefered they shot him in the leg and then jailed him myself, but if you purposely stick your hand into a lions cage and the lion rips your arm off, it's not just the lion that is to blame imo.

so if its ok for erol to say such things is it ok for me to say

I do not condone the action taken by the terrorists in London against the civilians- I would have preferred they take them as hostages and maybe beat the shit out of a few until thye withdrew their troops, but if you purposely stick your hand into a lions cage* and the lion rips your arm off, it's not just the lion that is to blame imo.


*i.e. re-electing Blair.

[demetriou_74]

5) Eastern European escorts;

10)Hunting with 5000 hunters to every one hare.

must try 5. 10 is exactly how it is done. all carrying 8 bore shotguns for a tiny creature.

[cannedmoose]

so if its ok for erol to say such things is it ok for me to say

I do not condone the action taken by the terrorists in London against the civilians- I would have preferred they take them as hostages and maybe beat the shit out of a few until thye withdrew their troops, but if you purposely stick your hand into a lions cage* and the lion rips your arm off, it's not just the lion that is to blame imo.

*i.e. re-electing Blair.

Sorry Thrill, I don't often say this about your posts but that's BS... Labour was re-elected with just 35.2% of the vote. With turnout standing at 61.2% of the electorate, this means that a grand total of 21.5% of the total electorate actually voted for Blair (of whom I was NOT one).

Added to that were the large demonstrations against the war in Iraq that have taken place before and since the invasion. You cannot say that the British people en masses put our hands into a lion's cage... if you meant our government did then that is so. Therefore, if the bombers had attacked Blair directly through either an attempt at an attack on Downing Street or Parliament, I wouldn't have so much of an issue with what they did. They'd still be violent morons, but they'd be morons with a political purpose and it is likely that they would have been shot dead before they could deliver their packages. Rather they went for the soft target and killed people who probably didn't support the war, probably didn't vote for Blair and some of whom were fellow muslims.

I know the point of your post, but I think it was in bad taste to post it.

[magikthrill]

actually moose i rewrote the post a few times because i was certain it would have gotten a response from you. you know i didnt mean to offend the victims in any way cause a human life is a human life but erol's comments were definitely not any more clever.

[cannedmoose]

actually moose i rewrote the post a few times because i was certain it would have gotten a response from you. you know i didnt mean to offend the victims in any way cause a human life is a human life but erol's comments were definitely not any more clever.

Agreed mate

[erolz]

actually moose i rewrote the post a few times because i was certain it would have gotten a response from you. you know i didnt mean to offend the victims in any way cause a human life is a human life but erol's comments were definitely not any more clever.

My comments were not flipant or throwaway. They were my real opinions. With a bit more thought the only thing I would change in retrospect is the comment they should have shot him in the leg. Personaly I would have prefered they did not shot him at all but just arrested and prosecuted him.

My point is you had an army patroling a border. Regardless of the rights and wrongs ot the armies prsence there that was the reality at the time (still is). Someone (actualy many someones) attmepted to cross that border against the will ot the army protecting it. What do you think the Turkish army should have done in the fac of such provocation and with a duty to defend the borde from incursions? Said - "that's it - the game is up, lets pack up and go home"? Or perhaps they should have physicaly despoited him back behind to 'his' side of the border and then waited for him (and undoubdetly 100s if not 1000s others too) to do it again? I really mean this. I want you to think about what you would have done as a soldier with a duty to stop incursions accross a border. I genuinely wish that no lives had been lost in this incident.

[Sinister_Carnie]

I'm in the US Air Force, and we have use an airstrip out there in Cyprus. I'm not sure who owns it. As far as relations with Arab states goes, thats not our problem. It's the radical islamic fundamentalists that are fueling terrorist activities with or without the endorsement of their respective government. The growing militant movement is harder to deal with diplomatically than a nation-nation confrontation like Libya or Cuba.

Those radicals believe in takfir. In a world of Dar Al Islam and Dar Al Harb, a doctrine of necessity requires them to take up Jihad against the infidel. To those radicals, Dar al Harb is the entire world that does not believe in Islam. Therefore they must kill or convert everyone in Dar Al Harb or Jahilliya Fortunately the moderates within the middle eastern countries do not believe in that rhetoric. Hopefully our counterattacks do not alienate them to the point that they take up arms as well.

Don't take my word for it, Look up the teachings of the Hassan Al Banna, Syed Qutb, Syed Abdul A'la Maududi. The terrorists have embraced those teachings calling for them to kill all the non-believers in the world. Sure, the US, UK, and Israel are the highest priorities because the radicals blame them for the insertion of capitalism into the middle east, but what if they suceed in destroying the West? Where do you think they'll go next?

Chip