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[bill cobbett]

I see, a de-mil Cy on the doorstep of the biggest armed forces in Europe. Still the ROT's army have always been a friendly, fun-loving bunch.

I can't help thinking from time to time over the years that Cy wouldn't have some of the problems that has beset the Republic since 1960 if it had joined NATO, rather than relying on the self-serving, unholy trinity of the (so-called) guarantor powers.

What was that non-aligned idealism nonsense that the Blessed Saint Makarios (may he rest in peace) was on about?

Didn't exactly send out the right message to our natural allies in Europe and America did it?

[Murataga]

murataga articles 129-132 of the constitution setup the national guard from 1960 with 2000 men. 60%gc 40%tc

This is true. The one I am referring to is a GC armed force established under the command of Greek General Staff in complete contravention of the constitution - and with no TC. The one that was and is much higher than the number of GCs than specified above. The one that later mounted many attacks jointly with Greek troops and under Greek army officers on TC enclaves. The one that had troops equipped with arms imported secretly from Greece and Czechoslovakia. The one which the GC personnel swore allegiance to Greece. Do you know anything on the whereabouts of the one I am referring to - for I have none about your`s...

so cyprus was not demilitarised.

You are right, technically speaking it was not demilitarized, however, in comparison to the context of our current day, it was a symbolic force with a relative internal balance. Hence, I referred the situation as demilitarized.

[Murataga]

zzz...

[DT.]

murataga articles 129-132 of the constitution setup the national guard from 1960 with 2000 men. 60%gc 40%tc

This is true. The one I am referring to is a GC armed force established under the command of Greek General Staff in complete contravention of the constitution - and with no TC. The one that was and is much higher than the number of GCs than specified above. The one that later mounted many attacks jointly with Greek troops and under Greek army officers on TC enclaves. The one that had troops equipped with arms imported secretly from Greece and Czechoslovakia. The one which the GC personnel swore allegiance to Greece. Do you know anything on the whereabouts of the one I am referring to - for I have none about your`s...

so cyprus was not demilitarised.

You are right, technically speaking it was not demilitarized, however, in comparison to the context of our current day, it was a symbolic force with a relative internal balance. Hence, I referred the situation as demilitarized.

You mean like TMT brought over Turkish officers camouflaged as teachers and bankers, instead training TC's on unconventioanl warfare?
You mean like the wapons that were brought in from Turkey, like your officers in TMT swore allegiance to Turkey and Taksim from 1958?!!!

Lay off Murataga, don;t even think of playing victim with me, not while you hold my home.

[Murataga]

murataga articles 129-132 of the constitution setup the national guard from 1960 with 2000 men. 60%gc 40%tc

This is true. The one I am referring to is a GC armed force established under the command of Greek General Staff in complete contravention of the constitution - and with no TC. The one that was and is much higher than the number of GCs than specified above. The one that later mounted many attacks jointly with Greek troops and under Greek army officers on TC enclaves. The one that had troops equipped with arms imported secretly from Greece and Czechoslovakia. The one which the GC personnel swore allegiance to Greece. Do you know anything on the whereabouts of the one I am referring to - for I have none about your`s...

so cyprus was not demilitarised.

You are right, technically speaking it was not demilitarized, however, in comparison to the context of our current day, it was a symbolic force with a relative internal balance. Hence, I referred the situation as demilitarized.

You mean like TMT brought over Turkish officers camouflaged as teachers and bankers, instead training TC's on unconventioanl warfare?
You mean like the wapons that were brought in from Turkey, like your officers in TMT swore allegiance to Turkey and Taksim from 1958?!!!

So the "national guard" is EOKA? I must have skipped that part of the constitution.

You launched the offensive to a community you outnumber 1 to 4 by forming an Army and allocating its resources from the RoC and Greece. You want to make an arguement with how we tried to resist?

Lay off Murataga, don;t even think of playing victim with me, not while you hold my home.

With you holding my island and its recognized government as hostage, with you having launched a war on my community for refusing to give up her rights granted by international agreements, with you enclaving my community and ambargoing her from even infant medicine, with you threatining my community with a criminal army of GCs.... "victim" is an understatement.

[miltiades]

Cant you just give it up it is after all more than 40 years old , you are as bad as those that keep on about the Ottoman empire invading Cyprus in 1571 !!
In the 21 st century , with your country a member of the European Union , its time you claimed your rights and get rid of that anachronism Turkish Republic nonsense , this is your country Cyprus not Turkey.

[Kifeas]

Murataga, your historical account and analysis suck big time! You failed to mention that the GC National Guard and the secret importation of Greek troops in 1964, were the direct result of Turkey’s previously expressed and displayed intentions to invade Cyprus and proceed to its partition plans, citing as an excuse the December 1963 inter-communal violence and the so-called collapse of the RoC; regardless of the fact that in both issues the TC leadership had an active role in provoking and even orchestrating them!

Let’s not fool our selves! The reason the TC side refuses the notion of complete demilitarization -today or even after a solution -a notion that naturally will have to also be accompanied by the abolition of the so-called unilateral intervention rights by the so-called guarantor powers, otherwise demilitarization itself is practically meaningless; does not have to do with whatever happened or did not happen in 1963/64, nor with any genuine fear that Cyprus will be used as a platform to threaten Turkey’s territorial integrity. It only has to do with safeguarding Turkey’s illegitimate geo-strategic ambitions in the region, and its view that as a country it should be the one to have the absolute control and say over the entire north-eastern Mediterranean waters and airspace! To this end, it (Turkey) feels that it should have and maintain Cyprus under its suzerainty, in one way or another! The TCs simply act as a willful proxy towards the fulfillment of Turkey’s above stated ambitions, which is why the Cyprus problem remains unsolved to this day because the GCs are not and will never accept such an illegitimate role for Turkey, over and around their own country!