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[zan]

keep going Zan, one day the truth will be told, well done for all your work in this forum, respect!!!!

The truth is easy to tell paaul12. I realise that it is embaressing for the GCs to hear it but it is the truth.

[Piratis]

You don't have any evidence to support the lies you are saying so you are making stories with cousins and nephews

You lied before that supposedly two villages were attacked and bombed in 1974 before the invasion which was the cause of the invasion, then when I asked you for evidence you didn't have any so you want back in 1967, and then when I told you that 1967 was 7 whole years before the invasion you remembered the "cousin story". You are ridiculous.

I understand why you can not handle the truth Zan. Because you use gross exaggerations and lies to support your crimes. The truth simply doesn't suit you.

You can't change the truth Piratis no matter how hard you try it will always come to the surface. You have a pathetic line of argument and jump from pillar to post to justify one lie after the other. I told you that the 67 attack on those two villages was the reason and they were. Turkey was going to intervene then, do you deny that? They did not and the antagonising of the TC forced into 3% of he island, whether you like it or not, carried on until he coup. These instances were not isolated as you try to make them out to be they were on going for years and years. As I said though...Keep talking.....

Ok Zan, I am glad you admitted that in 1974 the Turks are the ones that started the attacks and that the TCs that got killed in 74 were killed only after the Turkish invasion had started and 1000s of GCs killed.

So that one should now be clear in Ghandi's mind.

About the intercommunal conflict, an equal amount of GCs and TCs got killed over several incidents between 63 and 68. Those events had nothing to do with the invasion of 1974. The Turks used the coup as an excuse to invade and not events from history (which would have been even more ridiculous).

However after their invasion and illegal occupation of 37% of the island in their excuses for the occupation they included everything they could think of, including events that happened many years earlier, and events that happened after their invasion had started.

[Piratis]

keep going Zan, one day the truth will be told, well done for all your work in this forum, respect!!!!

The truth is easy to tell paaul12. I realise that it is embaressing for the GCs to hear it but it is the truth.

Zan, your lies have been exposed to such a degree that you should be ashamed. Do you think anybody except the ones brainwashed like you will take you seriously after you said that the cause of the invasion were attacks on 2 TC villages, and then when you were cornered you started talking about previous decades and your "cousin" to cover up your lies?

[zan]

You don't have any evidence to support the lies you are saying so you are making stories with cousins and nephews

You lied before that supposedly two villages were attacked and bombed in 1974 before the invasion which was the cause of the invasion, then when I asked you for evidence you didn't have any so you want back in 1967, and then when I told you that 1967 was 7 whole years before the invasion you remembered the "cousin story". You are ridiculous.

I understand why you can not handle the truth Zan. Because you use gross exaggerations and lies to support your crimes. The truth simply doesn't suit you.

You can't change the truth Piratis no matter how hard you try it will always come to the surface. You have a pathetic line of argument and jump from pillar to post to justify one lie after the other. I told you that the 67 attack on those two villages was the reason and they were. Turkey was going to intervene then, do you deny that? They did not and the antagonising of the TC forced into 3% of he island, whether you like it or not, carried on until he coup. These instances were not isolated as you try to make them out to be they were on going for years and years. As I said though...Keep talking.....

Ok Zan, I am glad you admitted that in 1974 the Turks are the ones that started the attacks and that the TCs that got killed in 74 were killed only after the Turkish invasion had started and 1000s of GCs killed.

So that one should now be clear in Ghandi's mind.

About the intercommunal conflict, an equal amount of GCs and TCs got killed over several incidents between 63 and 68. Those events had nothing to do with the invasion of 1974. The Turks used the coup as an excuse to invade and not events from history (which would have been even more ridiculous).

However after their invasion and illegal occupation of 37% of the island in their excuses for the occupation they included everything they could think of, including events that happened many years earlier, and events that happened after their invasion had started.

What is it that you see hat you expect others to see with your distorted views. I said until the coup started..That is when Turkey intervened and well you know it. I don't care why you think they intervened but your Makarios was shitting himself asking for others to intervene long before Turkey did so who is lying big boy. Would you like to hear the speech again of your Makarios asking for intervention and pissing his pants because he had lost control of the situation that he thought he could handle. If you are not able to put two and two together then I suggest you shut up and let the grownups talk. Then and only then did Turkey intervene. Just ask for the speech and you can have it. Now lets see who is lying big mouth.

[Piratis]

I see you are trying to change topic. OK, now that we established that I said the truth that "no TC was killed in 1974 until after the invasion had started" and that you were trying to deny this fact with lies, we can now move on.

So ok, what about Makarios? There was a coup, they tried to murder him, it was something obviously illegal and therefore he asked from the UN to intervene to restore legality. So?

It is like telling me that if the president of Afghanistan tomorrow asks from UN to intervene to help stop illegalities by the Taliban, that Russia could use that as an excuse to launch a full scale invasion against Afghanistan, start ethnically cleansing Afghanis and occupy 1/3rd of of Afghanistan for 33 years. Thats your "logic"?

[zan]

:lol: I see you are trying to change topic. OK, now that we established that I said the truth that "no TC was killed in 1974 until after the invasion had started" and that you were trying to deny this fact with lies, we can now move on.

So ok, what about Makarios? There was a coup, they tried to murder him, it was something obviously illegal and therefore he asked from the UN to intervene to restore legality. So?

It is like telling me that if the president of Afghanistan tomorrow asks from UN to intervene to help stop illegalities by the Taliban, that Russia could use that as an excuse to launch a full scale invasion against Afghanistan, start ethnically cleansing Afghanis and occupy 1/3rd of of Afghanistan for 33 years. Thats your "logic"?

I have changed nothing so you can take your hands out of your trousers. It is you that has to alter what you said. You said that Turkey intervened for no reason and I have given you plenty of reasons and that Makarios asked for intervention and nobody came but Turkey. You and yours were probably part of the coup so that is why you are so upset that you were stopped.

This whole thread shows that either you are not able to understand the chain of events or are just trying to change everything for your own needs. I know what I think on the matter. I will leave it up to others to make up their minds.

[Piratis]

What I said is very specific: In 1974 no TC was killed until after the invasion had started. You tried to dispute this fact, you failed because you lied. End of story.

[zan]

What I said is very specific: In 1974 no TC was killed until after the invasion had started. You tried to dispute this fact, you failed because you lied. End of story.

So go on...Give us a blow by blow account of what did happen in 74. Make sure you start from the beginning........

[Ghandi]

Interesting PIGitarys has gone missing when asked to give a bow by blow account of 74.i thought that would be easier for the greatest historian in Cypriot history.

If no TC was killed 7 years prior to the invasion then the TC have got it all wrong and have been lied to.

i think that Zan is not accepting some og the TC faults after 74 and PIStaris is mixing up Turks and tc.

Any evidence that Agastinios is employed by turket and what about the Dead zone have u read it u should ?

Also Pigtalis there is a big difference between intellectual integrity and hate.

I do like GC just not ones like Pigtalis.I will make my reasearch and if no turk was killed in 74 my opinion will change.

Would yours if i found evidence that they were killed ? i doubt it

Also someone being lied to or saying what they believe is very different to themselves being liers.Also if u have something wrong because u have not read every historians view and both sides objectively i dont think u r a lier just that u have limited intellectual integrity.

This goes for most people with such strong opinions.

[TOTIS MILIOTIS]

Ok Gentlemen, lets have the story for the begining.

AA.Many cultures and civlizations passed through the Island of Cyprus since about 1500bc when Greek traders reached the coast of Kerynia and established the known ancient Greek socity with its problems but with very strong and influnced civilization.

Cultures and civilizations passed after Greeks came as invators and not as traders and also because their civilization was weaker than the Greek did not suceed to change the local people culture which all these years remained Greek.

BB.On about 1578ac the Ottoman empire invated Cyprus and took over the control of the Island, bringing soldiers and families from today's Turkey area.


CC. ON about 1878 ac Ottoman Empire as an invasion power , having nothing related with local people and for political reasons SOLD THE ISLAND to British.

When the authority of Ottoman Empire left the Island some of its soldiers and shelters ex Turkey remained in the Island , creating of what we are calling today Turkish Cypriots. Some Christians were also obliged to changed religion during the Ottoman Empire control in order they find work in public sector added to the TCS society (LINOVAMVAKOI).

After Ottoman authority left the Island Ottomans and afterwords Turkish state had showed no interest neither about the Island or about the remaining Turks there.NOTHING AT ALL -They considered that the Island is pupulated by GREEKS who are now under the British control.

Turkish feeling population (About 18 per cent) never had any connection with mainland Turkey , instead they were feeling to be in the same field with Greeks of the Island , be both occupied by British.

DD. Greeks of the Island , contrary to the Turks, never lost their connections with Mainland Greece an by strong demostrations in 1931 were asking their union with the mainland.-Turks of Cyprus or Mainland Turkey played no role during these demostrations since they were feeling that their future is going together with the Greeks future , as Tukey had nothing to do with Cyprus.

EE.In 1950 King of Greece demanded from British a referendum of all Cypriots with the question of union of Cyprus with Greece. Th church organised the referendum since this was the only authority representing the local people against the British. The result was that more than 90 per cent of population (which means also the TCs voted in favor of the union. Turkey up to this point had nothing to do either with Cyprus or TCs.

FF.British, by rejecting the application of the decision of the referendum pushed the Greeks to create E.O.K.A. which started to fight in arms the British occupation.Turkey or TCS had nothing to do with this fight at least for 1 year.

GG.When British realised how serious was the situation and also the difficulties they were facing to fight EOKA made the clever movement: They employed pure TCs as policemen in order to fight EOKA. this is the point exactly when the Cyprus problem, as it is today, started.

EOKA now started to fight, in addition to BRITISH ARMY THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS POLICEMEN. Killings at both sides. HADE STARTED TO BE CREATED AT THE WO COMMUNITIES- EXACTLY THIS PERIOD 1956-1959.

The British then made their NEXT movement - when they asked Greeks (EOKA) for an agreement they invited in the table also Turkey which for first time in 1960, after Zuich agreement, said its first word about TCs minority and its interest about Cyprus.

THIS IS THE STORY AND , EXEMPT MAYBE SOME ERRORS ON DATES, ANY OTHER STORY ABOUT CYPRUS PROBLEM I JUST A MYTH

BRGDS