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[askimwos]

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askimwos said

"Unlike you I have no problem with people calling themselves GC or TC as long as they consider theselves Cypriots FIRST and do not go on nationalistic rampages as you do."

And I have no problem with people calling themselves Cypriot. Its the context thats important..If you say you are Cypriot to deny you are a Greek than thats a problem, shows you dont know your'e own identity and are confused. If you mean Cypriot in the sense that you are proud of where you are from like a Cretan is proud of where they are from then thats fine. We Cypriots love saying we are Cypriot but we are also proud to say we are Hellenes or Greek too ie. Greek Cypriot........This is nothing to do with nationalistic rampages....

How many times does one have to tell you...SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!!!

The fact that some people are here preaching about what others should consider themselves to be is the least patronising...

[pappy_sydney]

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askimwos said
     How many times does one have to tell you...SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!!!


I am speaking for the great majority of Cypriots who know they are Greek and not some confused idiot like yourself who doesnt know his own identity....You are entitled to your opinion but stop trying to give the image that Cypriots think like you...you will be laughed at....Again I would suggest you read some books to educate yourself. eg. The making of modern Cyprus by Dr Stavros Penteli or The Cyprus conspiracy by O'Malley and Craig.

[Get Real!]

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askimwos said
     How many times does one have to tell you...SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!!!


I am speaking for the great majority of Cypriots who know they are Greek and not some confused idiot like yourself who doesnt know his own identity....You are entitled to your opinion but stop trying to give the image that Cypriots think like you...you will be laughed at....Again I would suggest you read some books to educate yourself. eg. The making of modern Cyprus by Dr Stavros Penteli or The Cyprus conspiracy by O'Malley and Craig.

For whatever it's worth I'm another Cypriot who doesn't feel like and doesn't want to be Greek.

[askimwos]

Actually I have read both these books...so?

The fact remains...people can call themselves whatever they want. Now what is your problem you idiot?

[Diogenes]

Of course I love my Greek heritage. I am above all Greek, and proud of it. I am a Greek that lives in a state called Cyprus, that's all. If tomorrow a Cretan becomes politically independent, will he stop being Greek because he is politically independent? Obviously NOT. When you ask "do we hate Greeks?", i am honestly offended.

Historically, Greeks from Cyprus are among the most ancient Greeks. Recall that the Mycenaeans settled Cyprus around 1600 BC, and Teucrus who fought in the Trojan War was the founder of the city Salamis on Cyprus. All these were, even before many major Greek cities even existed.

There is, nevertheless, a small dislike from some Greeks in Cyprus towards the Greeks in Greece. The reason, i believe, are historical. Here are a few:

- Britain offered Cyprus back to Greece in exchange for Greece entering the war on the side of the Allies, and Greece refused (entering the war anyway)
- Greece "encouraged" mainly for independence of Cyprus rather than re-unification in 1960, although we were fighting for re-unification. But, to be honest with you, i believe it was completely "our" fault we signed the independence. But, that's what happens when you have a priest for president.
- Greece didn't quite help in the 1974 invasion by the Turks.

Greeks from Greece, and Greeks from Cyprus, shouldn't nevertheless FORGET that Greeks from Cyprus are Greeks. Both, unfortunately, tend to forget that, even though Greeks from Cyprus fought along the rest of the Greeks in all major wars of Greece, from the Persian Wars to the WWII.
Also, they fought against Britain in order to re-unite with Greece in 1960.

The reason why they FORGET, i believe, is cultural and sociological. I explain: Most of the Greeks in general (from Cyprus, Greece, etc) are among the most culturally corrupted people in the world. Unfortunately, they lost connection with their TRUE history, heritage and identity. A fake, foreign, given religion (Christianity), was imposed on them, and changed their mentality and character.
Just think of this: Most Greeks celebrate the Three Hierarchs Day on Jan. 30th (who, by the way they were all Anti-Greek), but don't celebrate, honor the Thermopylae Day in Sept. 18th. Most of them have NO clue when it occurred. That's a shame...Keep in mind, that that's the same Church that officially condemned the Revolution against the Turks in the 1821 !!

[pitsilos]

can you apply your logic when it comes to australians? ^^^^^^^

[TOTIS MILIOTIS]

For whatever it's worth I'm another Cypriot who doesn't feel like and doesn't want to be Greek.

Thn your solution is only one- to die and to birth again by other perents -lets say Mongolians

[TOTIS MILIOTIS]

Greece "encouraged" mainly for independence of Cyprus rather than re-unification in 1960, although we were fighting for re-unification. But, to be honest with you, i believe it was completely "our" fault we signed the independence. But, that's what happens when you have a priest for president.


My Dear Diogenis, abov want you said is the trough however this has nothing to do on whether we are Greeks or not.

Not even our own citizens (politicians) in Cyprus did all well about our problem

[TOTIS MILIOTIS]

My dear Kifeas, reading some of the last msgs i start to think that you feel alone? If this is the case i will start to support your "Cyprus Nation" and other deep knowlledge of the Cyprus problem you have.

You know, ctually i am a very good person .THIS IS THE REASON I DO NOT REPLY ON ALL YOUR POSITIONS, ALLOWING YOU SOME FRESH AIR TO SPEAK.

[Diogenes]

Dear Totis,

Thank you for your response.

Now, item 2 that you quoted from me, of course, it doesn't have anything to do whether we are Greeks or not. The paragrah above it, though, ( "Historically, Greeks...existed") has EVERYTHING to do with it though. Did you read that?

It doesn't matter what you feel like, or what you want, to call yourself. Tomorrow, i can start calling myself Chinese if i want, would that make me Chinese?
But, anyway, for the case of some Greek Cypriots, it is also even stranger: They descend from Greeks, their history is Greek, their monuments are Greek, they speak Greek, they have Greek customs and culture, they fought for Greece, etc, and they insist in thinking that they are something other than Greeks, just because we had political problems with Greece. This is a case of negative wishfull thinking that is a precondition for irrationality. Are they delusional?
It's like the Greeks of Melos calling themselves NOT Greeks, because Athens attacked them in the Pelloponesian War in 416 BC.
And once again, Crete (or Rhodes) tomorrow suppose it becomes independent. Even though they start calling themselves Cretans officially (which it will be correct in such a case), do they stop being Greeks?

Do i like the state of Greece as is now? HELL NO...I don't even believe that half of the "Neo-Ellines" in Greece have earned the right to call themselves Greeks yet. But that doesn't mean i am not Greek. Same criticism goes for Cyprus and Greek Cypriots too.
For example, many Greeks are (or pretend to be) Christians. How can you be a true Greek and a Christian? It is oxymoron...