LENA wrote:Viewpoint wrote:LENA let me try and answer some of your questions but please concentrate on what I am saying as either I have problems understanding your English or you do not want to understand what I am saying;
We definitely have an issue of understanding here!
How can it be different, the bottom line is that we are physcially divided and have been for 33 years, seperate every thing, schools police parliament army goverment offices hospitals etc etc, am I wrong?
Nο you αre not wrong!!!
VP…I don’t know what is going on with you … but you always judge my English and you have 3 spelling mistakes here and are too obvious! Anyway, its not my point that but that make me worry about you a little bit! Well, yes you are right we didn’t divide our lives only in those aspects (education, health, government etc) but we have differences from our backgrounds! Religion is one of the most important things that run our lives, our way of life! And of course government have to make rules, buildings, laws etc according to the people that has to take care! Well we have our own education and you have your own…but tell me, my maths was different than yours? I know that 2+3=5, 5-4=1, 6/2=3, 8x2=16…no? Does your Turkish education tell you something else? Science, Biology, chemistry, English, arts…are different? Ok if you learn Greek in your schools you were going to learn what I know and if I learn Turkish I was going to learn what you know! The big subject is the history and I don’t disagree with that! Does your body have different diseases than mine? When you feel bad you feel sick in a different way than I might do? We are not that different you know because we are both of us humans!
Am I wrong?
The TRNC may not be recognized but it is an entity that you have to deal with like it or not, just like when you go to Japan, the procedures are the same, ignoring this fact wont make it go away, am I wrong?
ENTITY??? Where? In your mind? I don’t know any TRNC nation! Any TRNC government! What exists for me is Cyprus! So I don’t have to deal with that TRNC thing as I do for other countries! Who consider the TRNC as a nation, government, country…anyone apart from Turkey? How difficult is that for you to understand?
No one is a child here what you are having problems with is that for th last 4 years you have been able to visit the north and even live here under our rules and laws (Fanos is the example) but this would be accepting that the reality you prefer to ignore exsists and that would really push your brain to the limit.
I do have a problem…Understand your English!!!!
Anyway…what you are trying to say…is b*t! How I was able to visit the north? With my passport? Like travelling to a different country? The only thing that you didn’t ask is fly from Larnaca to the airport their! Thanks for that! What kind of rules can I follow? My countries rules? I do….my country is Cyprus! Can I live under those rules in the north without being afraid that a Turkish soldier will shoot me? Can I? The reality you prefer is to ignore every Greek speaking Cypriot! And the reality you prefer is to live in your non-existent TRNC dream world!
He is free to express his views on this forum just like anyone else but the impression he gives us is that he is happy living and working in the TRNC, what he tells you in private is no concern of ours and we have noway of knowing whether you are talling the truth only Fanos can confirm what you are insinuating.
I am not going to talk about Fanos…because as I said its his life, choices etc…I am not going to judge him…but you must be struggling inside you to see who more honest…me or Fanos! Well its up to you…but don’t judge people from your impression! Usually men are not so famous for their instincts! Except if you are a woman forgive me but you have a bad instinct…don’t ever follow your instincts!
The reverse would be me going to live in the south which I feel just as strongly as you do about the north. I cannot contemplate this as I see the south a pure GC state run by GCs for GCs, and moving there would be no different form moving to France, Greece etc etc.
One more time…you know nothing of what I feel about the north! But can you explain me why we have everywhere in our public documents Turkish as well? Because we ignore you? Because we are a Greek speaking state? And believe me even in France or Greece I will have the respect from the government as a Cypriot! I will have the same attitude in the north from the “government”?
Note: I am not talking about people!
No one isforcing you to do anything you dont have to come if you dont want to we are discussing whether it is possible and it is, maybe not under the conditions that would suit a GC but it is possible if you can accept being a minority in a TC run state.
Ok you don’t force me but you challenge me to do thing! But lets skip that part…you said we are discussing the possibilities…well for me there are some possibilities but not for you…because to discuss about a possibility like this one…you must have the will to do that possibility reality! Am I wrong? Do you ever thought to come in the south?
Minority hahaha…I have a question for you? How many GC did they come after the borders have opened? Don’t tell me about Fanos! He was forced! I mean with their own will? I will give you one…Tony …find me the rest of your minority in the north?!
have coffee with whom? you or Fanos?
I invited you but you said no…if you change your mind you are welcome…but I don’t know about Fanos! Talk with him about that!
Lena dont you understand that its the south that claims it represents all Cypriots the TRNC does not claim this, never has, do you understand the difference? this is a very important point which you seem to have missed. We have declared the north as our country and here you are classed as any other foreigner in the TRNC.
I do realise that we are in a process…but you do have rights…legal rights with laws … all the documents was translated for you…and they keep increase those rights and benefits…this procedure need time…we can not change everything from one day to the other….but at least we show you that we want you to live with us not like you that you invite me to live in the north without any single one benefit, right, law in favour of the GC, any document translated in Greek!
They work in the south where they claim to represent them so how can they demand a visa? but prefer to live in the TRNC must tell you something.
Yes that they have their own houses there and they can not afford with the expenses for a new house in the south. But they work in the south because they are better paid! I can give you some other reasons as well if you are interested!
When will you come out of denial the TRNC is a reality you have to deal with and if you want to progress ignoring it will not help. Its appears 33 years are not long enough for most GCs.....as long as GCs maintain the current stance we are here for the long haul.
I told you no TRNC is reality for me…is violation, is illegal, is not recognised…etc…and its not my opinion is the opinion of the whole planet apart from Turkey and you! So lets talk about real REALITY!! Who is in a dream world! Me or you?
Any other questions my dear?
