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[free_cyprus]

well get rid of the zurich agreement once and for all get rid of enything turkish and greek on the island no armies or history books to tell us cypriots how proud we should be of turkish history or greek history cyprus has its own history and the only history we have is being rules and distroyed by outsiders. how will cyprus kneel to turkey and greece. how long can we be humiliated in thsi way as a small island.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyr, you continue to amaze me with how naive you are on politics. What you completely forget is that Akel is the only party that maybe paid the prize for saying no. Just think of the dynamics and the enthusiasm that will be created within a party such as akel in the case that the Annan plan is changed in a way that it will allow the party to say yes.

You belong to the lamb armies of Akel and you only know how to be directed. Akel is an extremely dangerous party full of misleading directives as expressed by you. Are you telling me to bring the Anan Plan back and just apply the few stupid changes Akel initially used as a smoke screen to keep their lambs together? Do you know how many times you have put this stupid argument on the forum? Do you understand that we cannot afford another NO at a referendum? Do you understand that the few changes Akel has proposed-but never did anything in practice and never will- to substantiate them, will lead us to catastrophy as they will bring out another OXI?

You keep on counting on Akel’s saying "yes" but you fail completely to understand what will make Akel say yes, and you absolutely align yourself with the lies they use as smoke screen just to keep their lambs together. This is the real problem, not the dynamic Akel will create. Akel will not be able to say a clear yes with just bringing the Anan Plan back and applying a few changes, neither any other political party will. Just forget it, it’s just propaganda of the worst kind.

Where you are even more naive is when you think that the majority of the refugees will vote No again. Think of those refugees that will get the right to return under Gc administration. If this number is maximised and the big parties say yes and get the time to campaign for a yes vote then no Koutsou or Klerides will be able to influence things in the way they influenced things the last time they were left alone to form public opinion.

If and if and if..... You are so idiotic that you don’t understand those ifs cannot be satisfied with a few changes on the Anan Plan -which anyway have to be balanced out on other issues by the TC side.

askimwos is right.
you are indeed naive if you believe that thats how politics work.
not to mention the fact that you insist that what has convinced you personally is a "logical argument" while all the rest are not !!

Here's another Akel lamb calling everybody naive . Hey Cypez, you should start calling your self "progressive forces" and "democrats" and the rest of Cypriots conservatives and fascists, this is your bosses more effective recipe, have you forgotten?

So do you guys think there is still a hope that the AP would be revived in yet another version? If not I cannot see where the solution will come from in the foreseeable future...

Yes Brikibrisli, this is what some Akel lambs are made to believe and are unable to even realize this is just a smoke screen their leadership is using to keep their lambs together. They are not even able to realise that the Anan Plan cannot be modified one iota, and if Akel ever tries something like that (which they NEVER WILL ANYWAY) we will not be able to avoid another OXI and final partition.

[cypezokyli]

Here's another Akel lamb calling everybody naive . Hey Cypez, you should start calling your self "progressive forces" and "democrats" and the rest of Cypriots conservatives and fascists, this is your bosses more effective recipe, have you forgotten?

i really wonder why i bothered to get again into a discussion with you!
no , i am not an akel member, and i never voted for akel. i expressed numerous times my disagreement with akel , in here as well.

concequently your above "logical and unbeatable arguement" has no basis (as usual).
even more rediculous is your argument what i call myself and others (which i didnt) , and at the same time you call me "lamb" and that i have "bosses". well done pyro, you are indeed different from the lambs you are accusing.

i thought of making an attempt to explain to you why akel (despite my disagreements with them), has indeed well structured mechanisms.
your above statement though, is a proof that i would be wasting my time.

[askimwos]

Pyr, you continue to amaze me with how naive you are on politics. What you completely forget is that Akel is the only party that maybe paid the prize for saying no. Just think of the dynamics and the enthusiasm that will be created within a party such as akel in the case that the Annan plan is changed in a way that it will allow the party to say yes.

You belong to the lamb armies of Akel and you only know how to be directed. Akel is an extremely dangerous party full of misleading directives as expressed by you. Are you telling me to bring the Anan Plan back and just apply the few stupid changes Akel initially used as a smoke screen to keep their lambs together? Do you know how many times you have put this stupid argument on the forum? Do you understand that we cannot afford another NO at a referendum? Do you understand that the few changes Akel has proposed-but never did anything in practice and never will- to substantiate them, will lead us to catastrophy as they will bring out another OXI?

You keep on counting on Akel’s saying "yes" but you fail completely to understand what will make Akel say yes, and you absolutely align yourself with the lies they use as smoke screen just to keep their lambs together. This is the real problem, not the dynamic Akel will create. Akel will not be able to say a clear yes with just bringing the Anan Plan back and applying a few changes, neither any other political party will. Just forget it, it’s just propaganda of the worst kind.

Where you are even more naive is when you think that the majority of the refugees will vote No again. Think of those refugees that will get the right to return under Gc administration. If this number is maximised and the big parties say yes and get the time to campaign for a yes vote then no Koutsou or Klerides will be able to influence things in the way they influenced things the last time they were left alone to form public opinion.

If and if and if..... You are so idiotic that you don’t understand those ifs cannot be satisfied with a few changes on the Anan Plan -which anyway have to be balanced out on other issues by the TC side.

askimwos is right.
you are indeed naive if you believe that thats how politics work.
not to mention the fact that you insist that what has convinced you personally is a "logical argument" while all the rest are not !!

Here's another Akel lamb calling everybody naive . Hey Cypez, you should start calling your self "progressive forces" and "democrats" and the rest of Cypriots conservatives and fascists, this is your bosses more effective recipe, have you forgotten?

So do you guys think there is still a hope that the AP would be revived in yet another version? If not I cannot see where the solution will come from in the foreseeable future...

Yes Brikibrisli, this is what some Akel lambs are made to believe and are unable to even realize this is just a smoke screen their leadership is using to keep their lambs together. They are not even able to realise that the Anan Plan cannot be modified one iota, and if Akel ever tries something like that (which they NEVER WILL ANYWAY) we will not be able to avoid another OXI and final partition.

I never used a single word that degrades you and you burst with this fascist like behaviour calling the 34% of Cypriots lambs and belonging to a dangerous party. Here we have another PATRIOT with a foustanella lecturing about patriotism etc...how pathetic!
I am afraid that you showed your true colour Pyr and I do not think that there is anything to talk about.
I have repeatedly posted the 4 major changes that if satisfied will lead to a Yes vote. Go find them in the forum and stop talking about smoke screen etc.

Keep on walking with the likes of Koutsou, Klerides etc. We know who these people are and surely the TCs and GC progressive people know from first hand.

Btw Pyr can you please answer a simple question? Are you pro BBF?

[Pyrpolizer]

I have repeatedly posted the 4 major changes that if satisfied will lead to a Yes vote. Go find them in the forum and stop talking about smoke screen etc.

I don’t need to find them. I saw them tens of times. This is our basic disagreement. I advocate they would not lead to a Yes vote and any attempt in that direction would result to our final catastrophy as they would result to another OXI.

As for BBF I already said in this forum: The consept is completely vague.Our side means one thing the TC side thinks is confederation.

[Pyrpolizer]

i thought of making an attempt to explain to you why akel (despite my disagreements with them), has indeed well structured mechanisms.
your above statement though, is a proof that i would be wasting my time.

And I was trying to tell you that those well structured mechanisms are not enough! What will decide the outcome by large and foremost is the solution itself.

[askimwos]

I have repeatedly posted the 4 major changes that if satisfied will lead to a Yes vote. Go find them in the forum and stop talking about smoke screen etc.

I don’t need to find them. I saw them tens of times. This is our basic disagreement. I advocate they would not lead to a Yes vote and any attempt in that direction would result to our final catastrophy as they would result to another OXI.

As for BBF I already said in this forum: The consept is completely vague.Our side means one thing the TC side thinks is confederation.

Whatever ou say Pyr...the annan plan is here to stay whether you see it or you choose to close your eyes. It may not be called annan plan anymore but another name. The point is the whole philosophy of it will be the core of any future plan.

As for the question you still have not answered it...but I guess you are a fun of Koutso Clerides and Co so no need to answer this really.

[Pyrpolizer]

Questions a la carte:
Are you pro BBF? (If your answer is not a definite yes then you must be pro Koutsou)
Are you pro Makarios? (If your answer is not a definite yes then you must be pro Grivas)

And so on, and so forth....





No my friend, I am not "given & bound" at ANY political party. I just listen to all and form my opinion. I don't believe in dogmas. Your question about the BBF was dogmatic.

[cypezokyli]

BBF is not dogmatic at all.
problem is you didnt realise there are only two possible solutions for the cyppro. one is the BBF, and if you consider that vague, then let me make it more clear. the one , is an improved version of the AP.
the second option is partition.

we have a right to choose

[Pyrpolizer]

Well if it is not dogmatic then give me the details of it.