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[BirKibrisli]

Selam,Gavcar...

Can I ask you the meaning of Gavcar? I am sure I knew what it was once in Cyprus,but can't think of it.It is driving me mad! Can you help???

[Bananiot]

Artichoke, no?

[BirKibrisli]

Artichoke, no?

Is it from Greek,Bananiot?
I am sure I used to use that word Gavcar (pronounced gavjar,of course)
as a child in Cyprus.Or perhaps I used to hear it from my grandparents in the village...

[polis]

The TCs according to the 1960 constitution did not vote for the president, they instead voted for the vice-president which had to be a TC. After the 1963 withdrawal of the TCs from the government the supreme court decided to apply a special law that would allow the government to operate without the presence of TC cabinet members - this is called "to dikaio tis anangkis", I am not sure how this can be translated in english. It is kind of an emergency law which states that until the TCs decide to get back to the government the government can work without their presence, effectively temporarily bypassing those clauses in the constitution that require the TC votes on a bill or white paper to be adopted. If this new law was not adopted the government wouldn't be able to take any decision.

Do you think this is Fair ?

Are these guys real? Fair?! Turkish troops invade Cyprus, they kick 1/3 of its population out of their homes and properties, they loot or expropriate the properties of thousands of others, they rape, they kill, they torture, they bring in settlers to change the demography of the occupied areas, they are still occupying Cyprus and preventing the refugees from returning to their communities and their properties, and the gavca guy whines about not been treated fair. You guys are funny!

[BirKibrisli]

The TCs according to the 1960 constitution did not vote for the president, they instead voted for the vice-president which had to be a TC. After the 1963 withdrawal of the TCs from the government the supreme court decided to apply a special law that would allow the government to operate without the presence of TC cabinet members - this is called "to dikaio tis anangkis", I am not sure how this can be translated in english. It is kind of an emergency law which states that until the TCs decide to get back to the government the government can work without their presence, effectively temporarily bypassing those clauses in the constitution that require the TC votes on a bill or white paper to be adopted. If this new law was not adopted the government wouldn't be able to take any decision.

Do you think this is Fair ?

Are these guys real? Fair?! Turkish troops invade Cyprus, they kick 1/3 of its population out of their homes and properties, they loot or expropriate the properties of thousands of others, they rape, they kill, they torture, they bring in settlers to change the demography of the occupied areas, they are still occupying Cyprus and preventing the refugees from returning to their communities and their properties, and the gavca guy whines about not been treated fair. You guys are funny!

Polis...What you say above is indeed true and despicable,and you have every right to be scandalised by the events you describe.But do you think all that came out of the blue? Do you think you can find some compassion in your heart to find out what really happened to tear the Cypriot society apart, starting from 1920s perhaps...I am not trying to justify the events of 74 and the aftermath,but unless you can bring yourself to see the other side of the coin as well,your indignation will only hurt you first and foremost...

[free_cyprus]

the 1960 agreement was the agreement to enslave and to devide and rule cyprus by britain turkey and greece..............

[polis]

The TCs according to the 1960 constitution did not vote for the president, they instead voted for the vice-president which had to be a TC. After the 1963 withdrawal of the TCs from the government the supreme court decided to apply a special law that would allow the government to operate without the presence of TC cabinet members - this is called "to dikaio tis anangkis", I am not sure how this can be translated in english. It is kind of an emergency law which states that until the TCs decide to get back to the government the government can work without their presence, effectively temporarily bypassing those clauses in the constitution that require the TC votes on a bill or white paper to be adopted. If this new law was not adopted the government wouldn't be able to take any decision.

Do you think this is Fair ?

Are these guys real? Fair?! Turkish troops invade Cyprus, they kick 1/3 of its population out of their homes and properties, they loot or expropriate the properties of thousands of others, they rape, they kill, they torture, they bring in settlers to change the demography of the occupied areas, they are still occupying Cyprus and preventing the refugees from returning to their communities and their properties, and the gavca guy whines about not been treated fair. You guys are funny!

Polis...What you say above is indeed true and despicable,and you have every right to be scandalised by the events you describe.But do you think all that came out of the blue? Do you think you can find some compassion in your heart to find out what really happened to tear the Cypriot society apart, starting from 1920s perhaps...I am not trying to justify the events of 74 and the aftermath,but unless you can bring yourself to see the other side of the coin as well,your indignation will only hurt you first and foremost... :cry:

Yes Birkibrisli, I know. Unforutanately we live in a geographical region that is stratigically controlled by a nation that is about 100 years behind the civilised nations of the world and happen to have a very eager strategic minority right in our midst one of whom is call birki that are extremely keen to sacrifice their lives and their futures and that of their families and their children just to align with its goals. Yes, my friend, I bet you I have a far more thorough understanding of what happened to Cypriot society starting from the 1920's that you and your like can even imagine.

[polis]

the 1960 agreement was the agreement to enslave and to devide and rule cyprus by britain turkey and greece..............

Yeah right! You try to make sweeping statments such as these, try to make them intelligent.

[miltiades]

askimwos , your analysis of the AP plan is very informative and I do hope that others will also deem it so.
I have to admit that I was at my wits end trying to fathom out why on earth did the RoC even agreed to participate in the discussions of Plan 5 , and at times wondered if indeed the participants with most at stake , ie the Cypriots , were in fact dictated to by circumstances well beyond their control , such circumstances having been created by Turkey , dictated by Turkey and accepted by the UN as well as the government of Greece.
You raised an important point on the redundancy of the validity of guarantor powers and of the continued presence of Greek and Turkish troops on our soil. The political climate since 1974 but more so since the entry into the EU has turned around 180 degrees , any one who can not see that the present enviroment is utterly different from what it was back in the 60s , is like denying that plane do fly.

[Kikapu]

askimwos , your analysis of the AP plan is very informative and I do hope that others will also deem it so.
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I meant to post yesterday and thank askimwos for his / her detailed analysis of the AP 1 to 5.

Thanks.