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[Piratis]

To those that support that in the north part of Cyprus there is a Turkish country or that that want there a Turkish federal/confederal state, can you tell me what is so Turkish about the northern part of our country?

The north part of Cyprus is just like any other part of Cyprus. It is the homeland of a Greek Cypriot majority with 3500 years of history, and a Turkish Cypriot minority that was formed during the Ottoman rule of Cyprus (in the same way that such muslin minorities were formed in most countries that Ottomans ruled)

In particular the part of Cyprus that is currently under Turkish occupation is the homeland of 200.000 Greek Cypriots and just 50.000 Turkish Cypriots.

So on what basis do the Turks want to label this part of our country as being Turkish?

The only basis is that the Turkish army illegally occupies that part of Republic of Cyprus. So basically they are trying to force using their big guns what they have absolutely no right for.

Back in the 50s Turkish Cypriots didn't like it when some said that Cyprus is Greek, even though the vast majority of people and history in Cyprus are in fact Greek. So Greek Cypriots accepted that it will not be called "Greek Cyprus", but just "Cypriot Cyprus" to satisfy the 18% of Turkish minority.

Now how can those that fought against the "Cyprus is Greek" argument, come and tell us that 1/3rd of our country is Turkish, when even in that part they have always been the minority??

All parts of Cyprus belong to all Cypriots (which includes the TC minority), and the argument that a geographical part of Cyprus is exclusively Turkish is a big fat lie enforced illegally by the Turkish army.

As I said elsewhere we had enough of discussions with TCs and Turks that show no kind of respect to us. If they want to discuss logically and on the basis on universal principles and human rights to find a peaceful solution that will create in Cyprus a normal European country like all the rest, then they are welcomed.

If what they want is to discuss and negotiate our capitulation and the acceptance of their outrageous demands that they illegally force in Cyprus (e.g. that the northern part of Cyprus is somehow Turkish), then this shows their total disrespect and arrogance and no friendly discussion can be made on that basis. On the contrary, the only thing that can be achieved is to re-affirm that Turks and TCs are our enemies that want to take a part of our country.

The war can end only with restoration of legality and the human rights of all Cypriots. Those that hope that peace can be reached via our capitulation and the legalization of the crimes against us should take it out of their mind. We will fight for our rights and nobody can deny this from us.

[karma]

it is not the matter of history or who was first, then whole America shld be given back to Red Indians...
it is the matter of equality, similarity and being able to handle eachother..cooperate..

[Strahd]

Why should 800,000 people accept to have an equal say with 200,000? Can you give me a good reason?

[Piratis]

Karma, of course to the Turks it suits the rule of jungle and that they can get whatever they want by just invading.

But now it is not the 14th century. In is the 21st century and there are international laws and human rights, and the Turks can not go on as if it is still the middle ages.

Even if it still the rule of jungle and international laws, human rights etc, mean nothing for the Turks, we still have every right to fight for our rights. The Turks should know however, then if they choose the rule of jungle now, then thats how they will be treated by us when the balance of power will change, and they should not complain about it since this was their choice.

So here is a matter of:

1) Will they show us respect and have logical discussions to find a solution based on democracy and human rights?

or

2) They will say "But Americans exterminated the Indians so we will do the same to you in northern Cyprus" arguments, which means they declare themselves as our enemies, we will treat them accordingly, and there is nothing more to talk about?

[Piratis]

it is the matter of equality, similarity and being able to handle eachother..cooperate..

The equality should be among all Cypriot citizens without racist discriminations. So one person = another person no matter of the race or their ethnic background. Just like it happens in all other democratic countries in the world.

Do you know any democratic country that would say 1 vote from a person of X race will count as 5 votes from people in Y race? Thats exactly not equality but on the contrary it is racist discrimination of people.

[karma]

Why should 800,000 people accept to have an equal say with 200,000? Can you give me a good reason?

Bcoz it is the right way..and it always has been equal in Cyprus as I remember..has Turkish society been as minority before?? I dont know, asking to you..

[iceman]

So on what basis do the Turks want to label this part of our country as being Turkish?

On the same basis that Turkish Cypriots were co founders of the Republic of Cyprus after the end of Colonial rule..Just because you lot kicked us out of the government and stole our position in the administration does not give you the right to call this island Greek Cypriots..

The war can end only with restoration of legality and the human rights of all Cypriots. .

Restoration of legality & human rights is in order when it suits your rights what about the illegality and human rights crimes you lot committed against the Turkish Cypriots prior to 1974??
You can fool non Cypriots with your fancy talk that Cyprus problem started in 1974 but not us...

Until the day you stop treating us as a minority and start talking about our EQUAL rights as it was agreed back in 1960 there will be NO solution..better get used to that fact...

[karma]

nothing sldnt have been a reason for 74 invade, it was not a peace operation for sure..but on the other hand GCs havent been the white pigeons I guess...unfortunately the innocents have been the victims as usual...I think confederation is the solution...

[Piratis]

TCs are 18% and therefore a minority. This is a simple fact only an idiot can not understand.

And of course any Turkish Cypriot should be treated equally with any Greek Cypriot. There should be no racist discriminations like the ones you demand, where 1 TC will count for 5 GCs. In which other country such racist things happen? Only in south African during apartheid?

On the same basis that Turkish Cypriots were co founders of the Republic of Cyprus after the end of Colonial rule

And you still didn't answer: On what basis the northern part of Cyprus is in any way Turkish? Where in the agreements for the foundation of Republic of Cyprus says that north part of Cyprus is Turkish??? Are you dreaming?

[iceman]

And you still didn't answer: On what basis the northern part of Cyprus is in any way Turkish? Where in the agreements for the foundation of Republic of Cyprus says that north part of Cyprus is Turkish??? Are you dreaming?

You show me where in the agreements for the foundation of Republic of Cyprus says the Turkish Cypriots are a minority and i'll tell you where it says a part of Cyprus is Turkish...You are so brainwashed you don't even know what you are talking about...stop twisting the facts and get real..
You are the one dreaming not me..