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[iceman]

Iceman, go read (ALL OF IT) my thread on the Republic of Hatay and give us your thoughts on the the rights of the non Turks of that short-lived state.

(My favourite bit is when Premier Jelal Bayar says that Hatay "must be Turkish ruled" )

We are discussing Cyprus problem here not Kurdish why do you drift away?

iceman in the Turkish constitution they say there is a Kurdish minority? Who is a minority is about numbers. You don't write it in constitutions! So now tell us what Piratis asked you and stop avoiding it!

Kurds were not co founders of the Turkish Republic and never had the constitutional rights Turkish Cypriots have in the Republic of Cyprus...The ones you stole from us in 1963..

What specifically makes Cyprus an exceptional case ?

Its CONSTITUTION

http://www.kypros.org/Constitution/English/

Read it before talking bullshit...

[eracles]

A consideration...
In general, TCs don't want to me minority but also reject the idea that there is one people on the island. By rejecting the fact there is one people on the island they automatically become the minority in any given unified solution, (using the the accepted definition of the word).
That would leave only one solution open. Either virtual partition or real partition. Virtual partition is not acceptable to the GCs therefore real and permanent partition is the only option left that the TCs would like to persue.

[Strahd]

The essence is one

TCs want a united Cyprus where there are two clearly defined communities with equal power in the rulling of the united Cyprus.

GCs want a united Cyprus where there are no defined communities and all Cypriots regardless of their ethnic background have the same rights!

I would love to see a foreigner to comment on the two above perception of Cyprus unification.

[GreekForumer]

Iceman, go read (ALL OF IT) my thread on the Republic of Hatay and give us your thoughts on the the rights of the non Turks of that short-lived state.

(My favourite bit is when Premier Jelal Bayar says that Hatay "must be Turkish ruled" )

We are discussing Cyprus problem here not Kurdish why do you drift away?

Perhaps we can learn from Turkey about the rights of minorities. Or majorities for that matter. Hatay consisted of 40% Turks. How is it possible that Turkey could annex the Republic of Hatay ? What happened to the rights of the other 60% ?

Hatay "in a free, honest count the Turks would have little chance of winning."

[iceman]

The essence is one

TCs want a united Cyprus where there are two clearly defined communities with equal power in the rulling of the united Cyprus.

GCs want a united Cyprus where there are no defined communities and all Cypriots regardless of their ethnic background have the same rights!

I would love to see a foreigner to comment on the two above perception of Cyprus unification.

You will have to re phrase your second option..

GCs want a united Cyprus where there are no defined communities and having the majority in population to rule the whole of the island...

They want to turn the clock back to pre 1974 but what we say is,if the clock is going to be turned back it should be turned back pre 1963 not 1974...GIVE US OUR STOLEN RIGHTS!!

[Piratis]

Kurds were not co founders of the Turkish Republic and never had the constitutional rights Turkish Cypriots have in the Republic of Cyprus

Can you please point to me the part in the constitution that says that north part or other part of Cyprus is Turkish? You keep avoiding the main question of this thread If you stop preventing legality to return by continuing the illegal occupation of Cyprus then you can get all your constitutional rights. But no part of Cyprus was ever Turkish, and creating one artificially via means of ethnic cleansing has never been your right.

About the Kurds, do you know that the Kurds have been in the area long before the Turks, and that the Kurds are a 20% minority as opposed to the 18% minority of TCs in Cyprus.
So why did the Kurds get less constitutional rights in Turkey than TCs in Cyprus? The answer is again the same:
The Turks used force to gain for the TC minority much more, and to give to the Kurdish minority much less.

So what is fair, what the Kurds got in Turkey, or what the TCs got in Cyprus? Or maybe you prefer double standards as it suits you and for you is all about brute force and nothing about what is fair and just?

[Strahd]

All I can say is that Turkish policies that are the basis of the new Turkish state were the inspiration of Adolf Hitler when he planned the extermination of Jews from Europe... so what are you trying to find????

In his autobiography, Mein kampf - Hitler praises the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, and remarks: "nowadays who remembers the slaughter of the Armenians by the Turks..." Hitler suggested that the Germans must imitate the Turks in eradicating the Jews from Europe. Hitler said the Turks gave him his inspiration for the Holocaust.

[karma]

Iceman, go read (ALL OF IT) my thread on the Republic of Hatay and give us your thoughts on the the rights of the non Turks of that short-lived state.

(My favourite bit is when Premier Jelal Bayar says that Hatay "must be Turkish ruled" )

We are discussing Cyprus problem here not Kurdish why do you drift away?

Perhaps we can learn from Turkey about the rights of minorities. Or majorities for that matter. Hatay consisted of 40% Turks. How is it possible that Turkey could annex the Republic of Hatay ? What happened to the rights of the other 60% ?

Hatay "in a free, honest count the Turks would have little chance of winning."

It was maggia of Turkey, dunno how to say ''maggia'' in English, sorry

[iceman]

If you stop preventing legality to return by continuing the illegal occupation of Cyprus then you can get all your constitutional rights.

So finally you do accept STEALING our rights??

[Piratis]

GIVE US OUR STOLEN RIGHTS!!

The only thieve here is you.

I said many times: Give us back our rights and land and take back the 100% of your rights as well. I don't want you to compromise even 1% of your rights. Do you accept the same for me, YES or NO?

When you reject to end the occupation what exactly do you expect? That you can illegally occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus just by yourselves and then at the same time share the rest with us?