Birkibrisli wrote:Piratis wrote:Birkibrisli, don't you think we have made enough compromises already by accepting, as you said, that the TC minority can have more powers than minorities usually have?
Also, if TCs were given a president as well then it would be equal partner, but they were given the VICE president. True the TCs were given much more than what proportionately belongs to them (and accepting that was a huge compromise from our side) but at no point they were equated to the 82% majority as such thing would be totally undemocratic.
So it seems to me the compromises are only asked from our side, with TCs wanting to gain on our loss.
As I said above the TCs are welcomed to take the "founding fathers" and the "partnerships" and everything as it was agreed in 1960 agreements. To gain even more on our loss by enforcing illegalities and trying to blackmail us to accept their outrageous demands is not acceptable and I consider it a hostile move that can only be countered by similar measures.
Hello,Piratis...
What you say is true of course,it was a big compromise on the part of the GC community to agree to the 1960 constitution.
And I am also aware of the Tax bill which was blocked by the TC MPs,which was the trigger for Makarios' 13 point changes. Both sides signed the 1960 agreement without any intention of honouring it,and it is pointless to try to allocate blame.
Perhaps given the realities of today,
the TCs should reciprocate by giving up their dream of Partition,and get back to the best possible solution which will probably involve some sort of bi-communal federation. I think the TCs should give up their demand for bi-zonality so that everybody who wants to return to their former homes/lands can do so.
Provided of course that their physical security is guaranteed to their satisfaction.What I want is for all of us to stop dragging up the past and try to blame everything on the other side.
I read Murataga's post above and he is a typical case.He only talks about the pain and suffering of the TCs.This is no way to solve this problem.
We must find it within our hearts to show empathy to the other side,then we will see that we are all human beings with all the human faults,trying to make sense of a sensless world,and an even more senseless Cyprus conflict.When Murataga starts talking about the pain of the GCs and when you Piratis start to talk about the injustices forced upon the TCs between 63-74 period,we will move one step closer to a solution.Please don't do it for me but for our homeland,our motherland,our Cyprus.
Before it is too late and the only way to solve this conflict is by exterminating one of the communities from the island. 
That was a good post Bir. I agree with almost* everything that you said.
Of course I recognize the suffering of TCs between 63-74, but as you said
both sides were to blame for the conflict of that time and both sides had about the same number of casualties. Note thats
one decade. If you look at the rest of our common history on this island, which includes the years
after 1974 until
today then you will see that those that insist on illegalities and crimes are the TCs and Turks, and not the GCs.
So based on the above facts, tell me how are the the TCs, who are equally guilty for the 63-74, but have exclusivity of guild for almost everything else apart from the only decade they seem to remember, excused to demand that they should be reward on our expense?
So yes, I recognize the few 100s of TC victims by EOKA B during 1963-68 and 1974. They should also recognize the few 100s of victims by TMT during 63-68 and their equal responsibility for what happened during that period, they should recognize the
6000 GCs that died and the
200.000 that were forced out of their homes in 1974, they should recognize the
32 years that the occupation and their illegalities goes on (and I will not even go further in history when the Turks had GCs as mere slaves for 3 centuries and butchered 10s of thousands of them).
So if there was one side that should demand the punishment of the other and their reward as a compensation for what happened in the past, that side should be the GCs, not the TCs.
However as usual, the TCs and Turks instead of accepting an end to illegalities and crimes so we can finally have peace, they give
lame excuses trying to excuse
even more crimes and illegalities TODAY and they expect that by illegally keeping the north part of Cyprus as a hostage they can blackmail us to accept their outrageous demands which even violate our basic human rights.
1960 agreements, as we agreed, were a huge compromise for Greek Cypriots and the Turks have no right or excuse to demand any further compromises from us in order to gain even more on our loss.
Therefore the solution is for the TCs to finally accept those agreements in the way we accepted them and then without blackmails and force see if we can make
mutual compromises based on those agreements to have something better for
both sides. If we can't came to such agreement then 1960 agreements should remain as they are.
Those that dream that we will capitulate to their blackmails because they have big guns and allow them to gain on our loss they should
forget about it. We will fight them with everything that we have and they should be sure that as always, they will lose at least as much as we do due to their insistence on illegalities and they will
never be allowed a victory on our loss.
* The "almost everything" I said in my first sentence was regarding your idea of a solution. As I said the compromises, if any, should be
mutual so if TCs will take something more from than the 1960 agreements then at the same time they should also give up something of equivalent importance to restore the balance so nobody would be gaining on the loss of another.
