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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby zan » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:00 pm

fanourıo wrote:Zan......they DONT want a solution.....



As we have been saying all along Fanos for them it is "My way or the high way". :roll:


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As I have said before, there is not just one way to a solution of this problem. The report has shown that some things just cannot be satisfied in a way that will bring about unification. I am not happy about that because in a perfect world that is exactly what we should have but it is not achievable with in the present framework and the RoC is not willing to budge an inch to realise it. We can sit about and resent each other for decades to come but what will that achieve. It will cement Turkey in place forever and cause the TCs a great deal of hardship. This siege mentality is obviously not working and Turkey will see to it that it never does and I am with them 100% in that respect. This is the fault of the RoC for not talking to the people that mattered and that is the TCs themselves. This report recognises that and just by saying that it is not the EU it self changes nothing in terms of the message that it gives out. When is the RoC going to recognise that it is failing. It is failing in its quest to starve out the TC people and it is failing in its quest to win over the world with its propaganda. They conned their way into the EU through the back door and now they think they can stand at the front door and tell us we are incorrectly dressed to enter our selves. Their ordacity is beyond belief and it seems beyond the tolerance of the US and the EU.
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Postby the_snake_and_the_crane » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:09 am

askimwos
As I have said before, there is not just one way to a solution of this problem. The report has shown that some things just cannot be satisfied in a way that will bring about unification. I am not happy about that because in a perfect world that is exactly what we should have but it is not achievable with in the present framework and the RoC is not willing to budge an inch to realise it. We can sit about and resent each other for decades to come but what will that achieve. It will cement Turkey in place forever and cause the TCs a great deal of hardship. This siege mentality is obviously not working and Turkey will see to it that it never does and I am with them 100% in that respect. This is the fault of the RoC for not talking to the people that mattered and that is the TCs themselves. This report recognises that and just by saying that it is not the EU it self changes nothing in terms of the message that it gives out. When is the RoC going to recognise that it is failing. It is failing in its quest to starve out the TC people and it is failing in its quest to win over the world with its propaganda. They conned their way into the EU through the back door and now they think they can stand at the front door and tell us we are incorrectly dressed to enter our selves. Their ordacity is beyond belief and it seems beyond the tolerance of the US and the EU.


More bullshit by Zan...

blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah conned their way into the EU blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah blah BLAH trying to starve out TC people.

Funny how you only reply to reports which are in favour of Turkey (not many of them by the way).

You also spelt 'audicity' wrong.
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Postby GAVCARoCOM » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:13 am

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Postby zan » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:33 am

the_snake_and_the_crane wrote:
askimwos
As I have said before, there is not just one way to a solution of this problem. The report has shown that some things just cannot be satisfied in a way that will bring about unification. I am not happy about that because in a perfect world that is exactly what we should have but it is not achievable with in the present framework and the RoC is not willing to budge an inch to realise it. We can sit about and resent each other for decades to come but what will that achieve. It will cement Turkey in place forever and cause the TCs a great deal of hardship. This siege mentality is obviously not working and Turkey will see to it that it never does and I am with them 100% in that respect. This is the fault of the RoC for not talking to the people that mattered and that is the TCs themselves. This report recognises that and just by saying that it is not the EU it self changes nothing in terms of the message that it gives out. When is the RoC going to recognise that it is failing. It is failing in its quest to starve out the TC people and it is failing in its quest to win over the world with its propaganda. They conned their way into the EU through the back door and now they think they can stand at the front door and tell us we are incorrectly dressed to enter our selves. Their ordacity is beyond belief and it seems beyond the tolerance of the US and the EU.


More bullshit by Zan...

blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah conned their way into the EU blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah BLAH blah BLAH BLAH blah BLAH blah blah blah blah BLAH trying to starve out TC people.

Funny how you only reply to reports which are in favour of Turkey (not many of them by the way).

You also spelt 'audicity' wrong.


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Postby miltiades » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:49 am

zan wrote:
fanourıo wrote:Zan......they DONT want a solution.....



As we have been saying all along Fanos for them it is "My way or the high way". :roll:


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As I have said before, there is not just one way to a solution of this problem. The report has shown that some things just cannot be satisfied in a way that will bring about unification. I am not happy about that because in a perfect world that is exactly what we should have but it is not achievable with in the present framework and the RoC is not willing to budge an inch to realise it. We can sit about and resent each other for decades to come but what will that achieve. It will cement Turkey in place forever and cause the TCs a great deal of hardship. This siege mentality is obviously not working and Turkey will see to it that it never does and I am with them 100% in that respect. This is the fault of the RoC for not talking to the people that mattered and that is the TCs themselves. This report recognises that and just by saying that it is not the EU it self changes nothing in terms of the message that it gives out. When is the RoC going to recognise that it is failing. It is failing in its quest to starve out the TC people and it is failing in its quest to win over the world with its propaganda. They conned their way into the EU through the back door and now they think they can stand at the front door and tell us we are incorrectly dressed to enter our selves. Their ordacity is beyond belief and it seems beyond the tolerance of the US and the EU.


Zan , as I posted earlier on a number of times I opposed the AP , although I wasnt in Cyprus and did not cast my vote. The question to you is this.
Do you accept that to the vast majority of Cypriots the Turkish troops are seen as an occupation force. This is the fundamental issue here, that these 4o thousand or so Turkish occupation troops were to be given an "extended" geographical area of intervention along with Turkey of course. Security issue was the predominant factor along with the fact that the continuing presence of Occupation troops would have been made perfectly legal with the AP.
I have asked my self this question. Would my T/C compatriots feel comfortable with 40 thousand Greek troops in Cyprus , and I honestly believe they would most definitely not , you must also put this question to your self in reverse and do come up with an honest answer.
Another objectionable AP inclusion was the division of the Cypriot police stations into 50 -50 , I have no problem with this division , but I do have a problem with the G/C and T/C manned stations flying foreign flags, I would most certainly object to the Turkish and Greek flags representing Cypriot police stations.Ask your self where on earth did anyone get the idea that Cyprus was being re united.
The road management issues were even worst, with either the G/Cs or T/Cs in "possession " of some roads whilst the those not in possession would have the right to build" bypasses "
I have always advocated a united Cyprus but the AP was nothing of the sort. Can I just say also that I m not the guy that can easily be manipulated in my way of thinking by politicians , the media or other means. I read the Plan in black and white I analysed it with my logic and found nowhere any "unification " areas , co opearation in some areas yes , but no unification.
My profound reason was the fact that I saw this Plan as a dangerous one and one that would lead our nation into more conflicts in the future , bearing in mind the erer presence of such inflammatory nationalistic elements as foreign flags on our police stations , the continuing presence of an army that the majority see as an occupying force the alternating presidency period and the cementing of a partition disguised as unification.
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Postby zan » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:02 am

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Of course the GCs see the Turks as an occupation force. I do not close my ears to what people say. The point is that the OTHER side see them as a defending force with good reason. People play with numbers as if it means something. 40, 000, 20, 000 and people ask why not just keep 10,000. What difference does that make if it is seen as an occupation. The main difference to how people feel about them from the GC side is that they had all the opportunities to wipe them off the island and they did not. They could not have been stopped in 74 apart from the fact that it would have made life impossible from a diplomatic front with the rest of the world. Apart from a few incidents where a GC has taken them on from an individual point and been shot or shot at the army has not made any more advances into GC territory. So when it comes to fear it is unjustified from the GC side. What they are preventing there is a GC political and terror tactics that would most definitely have gone on as well as the embargoes and dirty tricks in the courts and with Europe. I hope you can show the same understanding that you asked me to show for the feelings of the GCs with respect the Turkish army.



The Annan Plan is not liked by many TCs as well so don’t think that it was seen as being perfect for them either. The problem lies with what went on with the negotiations in the run up to the final plan. All the excuses were made that the RoC and in particular TPap did not have time to make amendments to the plan and that is why he opposed the plan at the last moment. This is one fairy tale too many to take. Why didn’t TPap and his government get in there and work together with the TCs to make it workable. Simple. They knew they were going to get into Europe and thought that that would give them all the leverage they needed to walk all over us and Turkey. This was a political decision and not one with all the CYPRIOTS in mind. You have conceded that the RoC has not done anything to make us feel that we are a part of Cyprus but then go on to try and sell us a system that will clearly see us as second class citizens in our own country. We do not feel safe or wanted in the Cyprus you call your home and given the choice, which we have had to take for our selves, we have chosen a route that makes us fell comfortable and part of a nation that really wants us. You can say nothing to make me hate or turn my back on a country that has done all it can to feed and look after my greater family for the last forty or so years. Even if we decide that the RoC has done enough to win us over we will still be indebted to Turkey and will feel a little bit of us that is Turkish. The sooner you guys see that part of us and accept it the better.


The moral of the story is for the RoC to stop playing games of one-upmanship and start to negotiate for all of the Cypriot people.
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