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The poll you've all been waiting for.

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Who do you think should take responsibility for shutting VP up and not allowing him freedom of speech?

Pyro
6
60%
Miltiades
2
20%
Pits
0
No votes
Kikapu
1
10%
Bir
1
10%
Humanist
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 10

Postby Piratis » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:29 am

Why do you assume that VP stopped posting because of some other member? If he was so sensitive he would have quited ages ago.

I believe that he stopped for his own personal reasons and it his decision is related to his work, family, health or something like that and not with some other member.
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Re: The poll you've all been waiting for.

Postby Kikapu » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:42 am

zan wrote:Who do you think should take responsibility for shutting VP up and not allowing him freedom of speech? Is this how it is going to be in a United Cyprus as in, if you don’t agree with me you have to shut up or be subjected to verbal abuse, belittled and be labelled a government propagandist. If you claim and promote lies to an extent where you believe them yourself and mislead others, then surely you have to own up and accept responsibility for being wrong and apologise making goodwill gestures to show you are sorry like contributing to a charity even of their own choice. I have asked people to put their money where their mouth is and every one has gone into hiding or are making silly remarks. Blaming VP is expected and not the honest thing to do so lets see if those boys that accused can now stand up like men and say sorry. The people on the list are the ones I believe together did the damage


Zan,

I did not want to drag myself into your "finger pointing" game, but you have twisted my arm.

Who says VP is gone anywhere, other than on a vacation. You seem to know more about that, then anyone else.

VP was never "shut down". VP gave just as much abuse as he took in return.

VP signed off by saying, he was fired from the "TRNC", and now you accuse everyone else as accusing him the same, and that members were wrong.

VP always claimed to have only a "TRNC" passport. Can one get a visa on demand from the British embassy to visit the UK, or did he prearranged this trip long time ago. VP stated, one needs to wait a while to get a visa, to travel abroad.

VP was the second highest poster on this forum, next to Piratis, so I would not say, that his "freedom of speech" was in any way restricted.

So, I don't know what is the whole purpose of your poll, when the "accused" had pleaded "guilty" of doing, what you have accused us, of accusing VP doing the same thing.

It appears to me, VP owes you the first £100 pounds.

He'll be back, before you know it, after he gives couple of speeches for the UK Turkish Cypriot event, that's on, as we speak.
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Postby pitsilos » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:59 am

you can't seem to get vips out of your mind, you are not internet lovers by any chance? :lol:
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:06 am

pitsilos wrote:you can't seem to get vips out of your mind, you are not internet lovers by any chance? :lol:


Certain things that VP has said over the last couple of months, have stuck in my mind, so when Zan makes such poll, it requires some input from "VP comments".

Internet use...............average.
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Postby zan » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:40 am

I can’t believe that you guys did not follow what has happened. I said that I was in touch with VP on the Net and we will be meeting this week because he is in the UK.


Listen I am still very upset about what you guys did to VP. Arguing back and calling each other names is one thing but ganging up like a pack of wolves and accusing him of things that you still seem to be half heartedly doing is doing nothing to take away my anger. This poll is make sure that that sort of attack does not happen again. Call each other all the names under the sun but false accusations that show you have no shame is way off the mark.


The poll shows that there must be something in what I say and I have not voted yet. You guys harp on about freedom of speech and a democratic Cyprus and then do what you did. VP is returning on Friday as far as I know because he has not contacted me yet for our meeting but this forum is being spoiled by those sort of accusations. VP was going to carry on posting even from the UK but that attack, which was overly vicious and unnecessary, had him telling me that he would never post again. It was after several E-Mails from me that has persuaded him to post again when he gets back. I hope that he still feels that he can. I promised hat I would try and fix things up with you guys but I seem to be having a bit of trouble getting you guys to admit that such a thing happened let alone a short and simple sorry. Think about this guys because as you can see it has effected more than just VP.


To tell you the truth I don’t expect much from Pits or Pyro although I still hope but you and Bir are really surprising me with your attitudes. You have both given as good as you got on the name calling front and should not feel hard done by with an apology. Miltiades and Humanist should be leading the way.
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Postby RichardB » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:30 am

I cant see that VP left because of the posts by any of the persons mentioned in the poll.

Viewpoint in my opinion always seemed more than capable of matching anyone on the forum in a 'battle' of words/wit/cynisism etc

Maybe he just got tired of the same arguments being put forward day after day and needed a new challenge.

Unless there was a more sinister threat to him that we dont know about?

Having said that I would like to say that I miss his thoughts and comments on this forum which I found for the most part were put over with a clarity and in a reasonable way and hope he does return when he has re-charged his batteries
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Postby humanist » Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:27 am

Am here Gav ....... watching quietly (my brother and his wife lost their unborn child Gav so I have been supporting them. Perhaps an opportunity to reflect on life and how fragile it is, thank you for thinking of me though ... much appreciated).


Persoanlly I do not believe I have the rght to shut someone up from the forum or elsewhere, however I have the right to resist a post in response to what may be said, if I do not respond to insults the other person tends to let it go. In a way I find it concerning that my name came up on the list.

I am taking responsibility for my actions/ posts.
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Postby GAVCARoCOM » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:13 pm

humanist wrote:Am here Gav ....... watching quietly (my brother and his wife lost their unborn child Gav so I have been supporting them. Perhaps an opportunity to reflect on life and how fragile it is, thank you for thinking of me though ... much appreciated).


Persoanlly I do not believe I have the rght to shut someone up from the forum or elsewhere, however I have the right to resist a post in response to what may be said, if I do not respond to insults the other person tends to let it go. In a way I find it concerning that my name came up on the list.

I am taking responsibility for my actions/ posts.


Hello ,
I m sorry to hear that what happen . I hope they will be ok soon. Its very sad. Seriously i m sure many people missing you on this forum.Nice to see you here. Take care
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Postby pitsilos » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:38 pm

zan wrote:I can’t believe that you guys did not follow what has happened. I said that I was in touch with VP on the Net and we will be meeting this week because he is in the UK.


Listen I am still very upset about what you guys did to VP. Arguing back and calling each other names is one thing but ganging up like a pack of wolves and accusing him of things that you still seem to be half heartedly doing is doing nothing to take away my anger. This poll is make sure that that sort of attack does not happen again. Call each other all the names under the sun but false accusations that show you have no shame is way off the mark.


The poll shows that there must be something in what I say and I have not voted yet. You guys harp on about freedom of speech and a democratic Cyprus and then do what you did. VP is returning on Friday as far as I know because he has not contacted me yet for our meeting but this forum is being spoiled by those sort of accusations. VP was going to carry on posting even from the UK but that attack, which was overly vicious and unnecessary, had him telling me that he would never post again. It was after several E-Mails from me that has persuaded him to post again when he gets back. I hope that he still feels that he can. I promised hat I would try and fix things up with you guys but I seem to be having a bit of trouble getting you guys to admit that such a thing happened let alone a short and simple sorry. Think about this guys because as you can see it has effected more than just VP.


[size=12]To tell you the truth I don’t expect much from Pits or Pyro although I still hope but you and Bir are really surprising me with your attitudes. You have both given as good as you got on the name calling front and should not feel hard done by with an apology. Miltiades and Humanist should be leading the way.[/size]


Listen I am still very upset about what you guys did to VP

nothing a couple of aspros couldn't fix

You guys harp on about freedom of speech and a democratic Cyprus and then do what you did.

works both ways zan

VP is returning on Friday as far as I know because he has not contacted me yet

nothing new here it was expected

VP was going to carry on posting even from the UK but that attack, which was overly vicious and unnecessary

telling the truth with facts is no attack. pyro't stats were a reflection of vips posting

It was after several E-Mails from me that has persuaded him to post again when he gets back.

yeah what a con

Think about this guys because as you can see it has effected more than just VP.

maybe instead of aspros try prozaz

To tell you the truth I don’t expect much from Pits or Pyro although I still hope but you and Bir are really surprising me with your attitudes. You have both given as good as you got on the name calling front and should not feel hard done by with an apology. Miltiades and Humanist should be leading the way.

the rule and divide at its best. one thing zan we are not suckers anymore, we will meet propaganda head on.

overall this is another con by the vips, and his lackey zan
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Postby raymanuva » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:28 pm

Where is me? :( i tried to shut him up and i am glad he did.
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