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[Kikapu]

Kikapu

If you were a "True Cypriot" you would have know, that my welcoming you was sincere, but since you're not a "True Cypriot" and your personality tends to resemble a "cold fish", I'll welcome you in the language that you do understand.

"Fuck you and the Horse you rode in on".

I know you feel more welcomed now.

Ho I am a true Turkish Cypriot and never claimed to be just a Cypriot as you and few others claim and to which I try to show respect as you have the right to feel how you wish but unfortunately you and those others dont show me and people like me the same respect, what does that say about you?

I can tell a cold welcome from a warm and sincere one and yours was cold, allow me to know my own mind a little better than you.

Let's get back to what was it that I did not understand.

You only want Turkey to own up. if the "child" is still alive, but keep her mouth shut, if the "child" is dead.

What exactly is the difference VP.??

For everything this child has been denied all of his life, because of Turkey, he might as well be dead, even if he is alive. Oh, lets not rock the boat, because it may reflect bad on Turkey if the truth comes out, and it will not look on those who cherishes Turkey's every move, such as yourself. Stop being a "yes man" for once in your life, and stand up against any wrong doings, rather than always "cherry picking" the one's only show your "enemy" to be the bad people.

Kikapu try looking beyond the tip of our nose Turkey already says hes dead (having no records available) and what I was trying to convey is that if hes not then they should give details as to put to rest the GC ladies torment once and for all and before she dies. The other side is that will Turkey do this? and the risks it intails for opening a can worms where did i say i agree with this stance its what I anticipate Turkey will do whether it is right or wrong. Man even if I said Turkey is guilty of all imaginable crimes against man kind and is the worst country in the world you would still try to pick holes in the statement just for the sake of it and because it was me who said it, you need to relax and get yourself out of this negativity against my posts and we will see that I am just like anyone else made of skin bllod and bones.

VP,

If you were born in Cyprus to Cypriot parents ( or just one), then I will welcome you as a True "Turkish" Cypriot, and will accept you as that...end of story with no more questions asked...deal.?

VP, excuse me for not trusting any government, so Turkey is not the only one. Governments in general, have many times over have lied and manupilated peoples lives, all over the world. You want to take their word for anything they say, is your choice.

If Turkey says that the "child" died back in 1974 or there after, they need to come up with the proof. The boy was in their custody VP, so they must know what happened to the body. And of course, this also goes to all the other missing people from the 1974. How can anyone disappear, when they are in the governments custody. They are either dead and buried without a tombstone, or that they are alive, some place, who knows for what reason. Is there a third possibility that I missed or what.? I suppose families could make a false missing person report to claim insurance money, or for political reasons too.

Let me play a devils advocate here for one minute.

If the "child" is alive today, then Turkey must also know this, but after all this time has gone by, she will never come forward with this information, because it will be much worse than, had the "child" died, from his wounds back then. Can you imagine the public outcry from around the world, for such cruelty. No, Turkey can never say that the "child" is alive, even if he is alive, so by saying the "child" is dead, it is easier to sweep it under the carper. But Turkey must face the music, and tell the truth, no matter how painful it may be.

So then the question comes to mind is, where is the God damn body VP.???

That's the question, that we should all be asking, don't you think.??

Let me try again for welcoming you back.

VP, I'm really happy that you are back and posting again.

This does not mean however, that I will not challenge your posts, when I feel that they should be. I know you respect that.

[Viewpoint]

I still feel that you have the opportunity to return yet you do not you have been become dilluted in this sense and your family line confirms this as it bears no importence for you to leave Turkish Cypriot children to the world. Dont take it the wrong way about becoming dilluted this a natural process as you live in a totally different environment and are effected by your exposure to an alternaitve culture whether this be good or bad but you lose some of your Turkish cypriot culture thats where we differ I live my TC culture on a daily basis and passionately, I think this comes accross in my posts, I love my peoeple and want the best for them, they have suffered enough and are still under isolation, I know you will say what about the GCs I also acknowledge their suffering as well but when you compare we agree both sides suffered badly but what is the result one has has his legs tied together and asked to run a race where the other side got the best running shoes, do you see the difference...why cant both runners be given the same shoes and our feet should be united, equality is the key...what you see fit for yourself you should also see fit for me....obviously we have been unable to do this together then surely doing it seperately is imo the best way forward, once all things are equal then ask people whether if they want unifiaction keeping one side at a disadvantage is not fair or humane.

I am not offended by your "diluted" comment,Viewpoint.Of course I have been "diluted" after living in Oz for more than 35 years. Our difference is that I see my "dilution process" as positive while you see it as negative.
I am happy to raise children who consider themselves members of the human race before anything else.
You say you live your TC culture "on a daily basis and passionately",but to me that means you are selfcentered,misguided,prejudiced,and blindly nationalistic to the point you have become paranoid and paralysed by fear and hatred of your fellow Cypriots. The level playing field you keep harping on will never happen because two wrongs cannot make one right, you cannot take other people's land and throw them out of their homes at the end of the gun,because someone else did that to you first...
I cannot return to my homeland because I am diluted enough to believe that natural justice dictates you do not go and throw your helpless neighbour into the street,because someone has made you leave your own home...I am diluted enough to believe that "victims" of evictions should unite and fight against the real culprits together,instead of beating each other up...

You have every right to believe whatever you wish but you have been dilluted to a degree where you will never return to your homeland and die in diaspora, this is your choice which i respect and of course the excuse about we are all of the human race is just another indicaiton that you are not a proud anything let alone a Turkish Cypriot, you have no feeling of belonging and as ı said before oyu are a lost sole in a foreign wilderness who will always be a bloody foreigner as the British put it.

As for me I no different from a Spaniard or Italian who dearly loves his country and people so if that makes me all the things you say then yes I will admit to it as I am no different from the majority of humans on this earth.

You forget that that level playing field I promote also involves allowing GCs back to claim their property rights and live in the north, how does that fit in with your evaluation of me as a proud Turkish Cypriot? I get the impression you do not know me at all and have never really understood what I am saying or what I am about, the barrage or abuse from the "Pack" mentality has also clouded your judgement and comprehension.

One point I would also like to clear up is I dont hate GCs, I do not trust them at all there is a difference for those who have the ability to understand.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

VP,

If you were born in Cyprus to Cypriot parents ( or just one), then I will welcome you as a True "Turkish" Cypriot, and will accept you as that...end of story with no more questions asked...deal.?

I will reveal more about myself as I promised zan but could you just clarify what difference does it make? and how will you know Im telling the truth?

VP, excuse me for not trusting any government, so Turkey is not the only one. Governments in general, have many times over have lied and manupilated peoples lives, all over the world. You want to take their word for anything they say, is your choice.

If Turkey says that the "child" died back in 1974 or there after, they need to come up with the proof. The boy was in their custody VP, so they must know what happened to the body. And of course, this also goes to all the other missing people from the 1974. How can anyone disappear, when they are in the governments custody. They are either dead and buried without a tombstone, or that they are alive, some place, who knows for what reason. Is there a third possibility that I missed or what.? I suppose families could make a false missing person report to claim insurance money, or for political reasons too.

Let me play a devils advocate here for one minute.

If the "child" is alive today, then Turkey must also know this, but after all this time has gone by, she will never come forward with this information, because it will be much worse than, had the "child" died, from his wounds back then. Can you imagine the public outcry from around the world, for such cruelty. No, Turkey can never say that the "child" is alive, even if he is alive, so by saying the "child" is dead, it is easier to sweep it under the carper. But Turkey must face the music, and tell the truth, no matter how painful it may be.

So then the question comes to mind is, where is the God damn body VP.???

That's the question, that we should all be asking, don't you think.??

Look I agree with you and I would do anything to put this ladies mind at rest once and for all, the suffering has to stop and excuses are not acceptable I have said this previously on the forum. The rest is just what and why I think Turkey will do, be it right or wrong.

VP, I'm really happy that you are back and posting again.

Thank you much appreciated.

This does not mean however, that I will not challenge your posts, when I feel that they should be. I know you respect that.

Be my guest as long as personal insults are kept out of the equation I have no problem.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

VP,

If you were born in Cyprus to Cypriot parents ( or just one), then I will welcome you as a True "Turkish" Cypriot, and will accept you as that...end of story with no more questions asked...deal.?

I will reveal more about myself as I promised zan but could you just clarify what difference does it make? and how will you know Im telling the truth?

Be my guest as long as personal insults are kept out of the equation I have no problem.

It is important to know where one is from, because it adds credibility to one's point of view. Up to this point, it is very easy to mistaken you for a Turk from Turkey, and that is perfectly acceptable, if you're one, that is not the issue.

Every person has a conscience VP. If you say you are Cyprus born Turkish Cypriot to Cypriot born parents, then that's who you are, and if it's a lie, and I do not know for what reason one would want to lie, as to where they are born, then you alone will have to live with the lie and deception, not us. Lies do have a way of coming out, as you know., It is not our place to second guess you, if you tell us who you are. We'll just have to take your word for it, as you have taken our word, that's all.

I agree, lets keep personal insults out.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

VP,

If you were born in Cyprus to Cypriot parents ( or just one), then I will welcome you as a True "Turkish" Cypriot, and will accept you as that...end of story with no more questions asked...deal.?

I will reveal more about myself as I promised zan but could you just clarify what difference does it make? and how will you know Im telling the truth?

Be my guest as long as personal insults are kept out of the equation I have no problem.

It is important to know where one is from, because it adds credibility to one's point of view. Up to this point, it is very easy to mistaken you for a Turk from Turkey, and that is perfectly acceptable, if you're one, that is not the issue.

Every person has a conscience VP. If you say you are Cyprus born Turkish Cypriot to Cypriot born parents, then that's who you are, and if it's a lie, and I do not know for what reason one would want to lie, as to where they are born, then you alone will have to live with the lie and deception, not us. Lies do have a way of coming out, as you know., It is not our place to second guess you, if you tell us who you are. We'll just have to take your word for it, as you have taken our word, that's all.

I agree, lets keep personal insults out.

My parents were both born in Cyprus, my father from Nicosia and my mother from a village between Limasol and Pafos, as for me I was born in the UK. Does that make you and others feel any better?

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

VP,

If you were born in Cyprus to Cypriot parents ( or just one), then I will welcome you as a True "Turkish" Cypriot, and will accept you as that...end of story with no more questions asked...deal.?

I will reveal more about myself as I promised zan but could you just clarify what difference does it make? and how will you know Im telling the truth?

Be my guest as long as personal insults are kept out of the equation I have no problem.

It is important to know where one is from, because it adds credibility to one's point of view. Up to this point, it is very easy to mistaken you for a Turk from Turkey, and that is perfectly acceptable, if you're one, that is not the issue.

Every person has a conscience VP. If you say you are Cyprus born Turkish Cypriot to Cypriot born parents, then that's who you are, and if it's a lie, and I do not know for what reason one would want to lie, as to where they are born, then you alone will have to live with the lie and deception, not us. Lies do have a way of coming out, as you know., It is not our place to second guess you, if you tell us who you are. We'll just have to take your word for it, as you have taken our word, that's all.

I agree, lets keep personal insults out.

My parents were both born in Cyprus, my father from Nicosia and my mother from a village between Limasol and Pafos, as for me I was born in the UK. Does that make you and others feel any better?

No, I don't think so VP, ( if you mean, do we feel more Cypriot, than you)

You are a Cypriot, because your parents are Cypriots, even if you are born else where. I have many British born nephews and nieces as well as my baby sister ( 37 yrs old), and they all call themselves, Turkish Cypriots and that is a major factor in one's identity, and the fact that you live in Cyprus, that makes you even more of a Cypriot.

Thank you for your honesty VP. It will be easier to see your point of views, in your future posts.

[Pyrpolizer]

Turkey already says hes dead …

Turkey does not say he is dead. Turkeys says nothing! When asked they say there is a committee in Cyprus dealing with the matter of missing persons. Tha’s all Turkey says.

Politis newspaper published an official document of the Turkish Army proving that the child was carried to hospital in Turkey. Turkey so far gave no answer whatsoever.

[Pyrpolizer]

My parents were both born in Cyprus, my father from Nicosia and my mother from a village between Limasol and Pafos, as for me I was born in the UK. Does that make you and others feel any better?

Born in the UK and came back when???

Listen VP, if you look carefully in your farewell topic I said I was sorry. The fact is I was sorry, because in some way I hurt another human. For no other reason.

You have to open up a topic to discuss the whole thing.There are too many pending suspicions on you. You have to be questioned and be convincing in your answers. The evidence for everything is in this forum. We don't need your name and address, there is a way to check everything without you having to reveal any personal information.

[BirKibrisli]

Pyro is right,VP...We don't want to know your name,address,and telephone number.But we need to satisfy ourselves that you are an individual,and not the local mouthpiece of the TRNC.So now with the personal info you have provided,I can try to build a profile about you as an individual.There are many more unknowns of course. If you were born in the UK,when did you return to Cyprus and why?You must've got your first impressions about the Cyprus conflict from your parents or grandparents.When did your parents migrate to the UK,and under what circumstances? What were their opinions of the GCs and the reasons for the Cypro?If you returned after 1974,what were the primary influences while forming your political opinions?
You don't have to answer any of these questions,or you might choose to answer them in your own time.The more personal info you share with us,the more real and individual you will become.The less we will doubt your authenticity.The more credibility you will have.It is upto you really...

[pitsilos]

bir don't let anyone tell you differently, you can take the boy out of cyprus but you can never take cyprus out of the boy...