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[Viewpoint]

So when you dont agree with me I am stupid and you are sensible? So its the Bir way or the highway, great logic.

But of course...I am a True Cypriot,Viewpoint.What did you expect?

You are a dilluted Cypriot living in diaspora, who cannot face the music but prefers to dictate to us from the safety of another land.

[Pyrpolizer]

Well, well, well. Look who's is back.
Our monolithic friend VP.
Welcome back bre, we really missed you.

Talk to you tonight.

[Kikapu]

If he is alive Turkey should own up and provide full details but I feel Turkey will want to avoid this at all costs as it would open a can of worms with people asking about their own missing still being alive in Turkey. I think if this story is being pursued for political gain knowing that the child is dead then its cruel and despicable as that mother yet again raises her hopes in seeing her son before she dies.

I agree,Viewpoint!
You see ,when you are sensible even I will agree with you...

Me too.!!!

Welcome back VP. I missed sparring with you for the last few days...well sort of.

My blood pressure is much lower thanks to you, since you have been away. .

I recommend that you take more vacations in the future.

OK, back to your post.

Whether the child was dead back in 1974 or he is still alive today, Turkey does not have any right to keep quite on this, no matter how many "cans of worms" it will open, as a result. The child was in Turkey's custody in 1974, and bears all responsibility, or do we just look the other way, when such unpleasant events are done in the name of "intervention", therefore the mother's pain and loss of the her child can be side lined. I'm not a parent, and I feel very strongly about this, but you are a parent, so you tell me VP, how would you feel, if your child was in the same situation. Just because it is not our kids that have been missing for 33 years, it should not be seen as unworthy of knowing the truth, because it may open "can of worms". I believe all the "cans" should be opened, by everyone, Turkey, Greece, TC's & GC's, going back to 1963, so that we all know, where all the bodies are buried and who was responsible for their demise. The purpose is not to count who has killed more than the other, but to bring closure to their families and to our dark part of history, and it is only then, trust can be built upon to move forward.

Thanks for your insincere and cold welcome Ill take it with a pinch of salt.

You are showing the syndrome of not reading my posts fully or maybe you do not want to understand them, I did start by saying;

If he is alive Turkey should own up and provide full details

This would indicate don't agree that I am all for finally putting these poor people minds at rest and providing answers.

If you were a "True Cypriot" you would have know, that my welcoming you was sincere, but since you're not a "True Cypriot" and your personality tends to resemble a "cold fish", I'll welcome you in the language that you do understand.

"Fuck you and the Horse you rode in on".

I know you feel more welcomed now.

Let's get back to what was it that I did not understand.

You only want Turkey to own up. if the "child" is still alive, but keep her mouth shut, if the "child" is dead.

What exactly is the difference VP.??

For everything this child has been denied all of his life, because of Turkey, he might as well be dead, even if he is alive. Oh, lets not rock the boat, because it may reflect bad on Turkey if the truth comes out, and it will not look on those who cherishes Turkey's every move, such as yourself. Stop being a "yes man" for once in your life, and stand up against any wrong doings, rather than always "cherry picking" the one's only show your "enemy" to be the bad people.

[BirKibrisli]

So when you dont agree with me I am stupid and you are sensible? So its the Bir way or the highway, great logic.

But of course...I am a True Cypriot,Viewpoint.What did you expect?

You are a dilluted Cypriot living in diaspora, who cannot face the music but prefers to dictate to us from the safety of another land.

So it is my fault now that I live in the dispora...

Sure,mate. As a boy of 12 in 1963 I worked relentlessly to make sure the RoC my elders had just founded would not get off the ground.
It was not the TMT but me who was painting anti-TC slogans and pro-ENOSIS slogans on mosques,blowing up Turkish information offices,and killing innocent civilians for wanting to live in peace as one nation of Cypriots.And because i couldn't face the music I jumped on the first boat our of Southampton and landed in Oz where I have been diluted...Mea Culpa...

[BirKibrisli]

"Fuck you and the Horse you rode in on".

I have just reported you to the animal protection society...Leave that poor horse out of this...

[Kikapu]

"Fuck you and the Horse you rode in on".

I have just reported you to the animal protection society...Leave that poor horse out of this...

Hi Bir,

This was one of many quotes an ex girlfriend would you in the States, and it is not meant in a personal way, hence the quotation marks, but I don't know if the "cold fish" got that or not.

I agree with you............I should leave the poor horse out of this

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

If you were a "True Cypriot" you would have know, that my welcoming you was sincere, but since you're not a "True Cypriot" and your personality tends to resemble a "cold fish", I'll welcome you in the language that you do understand.

"Fuck you and the Horse you rode in on".

I know you feel more welcomed now.

Ho I am a true Turkish Cypriot and never claimed to be just a Cypriot as you and few others claim and to which I try to show respect as you have the right to feel how you wish but unfortunately you and those others dont show me and people like me the same respect, what does that say about you?

I can tell a cold welcome from a warm and sincere one and yours was cold, allow me to know my own mind a little better than you.

Let's get back to what was it that I did not understand.

You only want Turkey to own up. if the "child" is still alive, but keep her mouth shut, if the "child" is dead.

What exactly is the difference VP.??

For everything this child has been denied all of his life, because of Turkey, he might as well be dead, even if he is alive. Oh, lets not rock the boat, because it may reflect bad on Turkey if the truth comes out, and it will not look on those who cherishes Turkey's every move, such as yourself. Stop being a "yes man" for once in your life, and stand up against any wrong doings, rather than always "cherry picking" the one's only show your "enemy" to be the bad people.

Kikapu try looking beyond the tip of our nose Turkey already says hes dead (having no records available) and what I was trying to convey is that if hes not then they should give details as to put to rest the GC ladies torment once and for all and before she dies. The other side is that will Turkey do this? and the risks it intails for opening a can worms where did i say i agree with this stance its what I anticipate Turkey will do whether it is right or wrong. Man even if I said Turkey is guilty of all imaginable crimes against man kind and is the worst country in the world you would still try to pick holes in the statement just for the sake of it and because it was me who said it, you need to relax and get yourself out of this negativity against my posts and we will see that I am just like anyone else made of skin bllod and bones.

[Viewpoint]

So when you dont agree with me I am stupid and you are sensible? So its the Bir way or the highway, great logic.

But of course...I am a True Cypriot,Viewpoint.What did you expect?

You are a dilluted Cypriot living in diaspora, who cannot face the music but prefers to dictate to us from the safety of another land.

So it is my fault now that I live in the dispora...

Sure,mate. As a boy of 12 in 1963 I worked relentlessly to make sure the RoC my elders had just founded would not get off the ground.
It was not the TMT but me who was painting anti-TC slogans and pro-ENOSIS slogans on mosques,blowing up Turkish information offices,and killing innocent civilians for wanting to live in peace as one nation of Cypriots.And because i couldn't face the music I jumped on the first boat our of Southampton and landed in Oz where I have been diluted...Mea Culpa...

I still feel that you could have returned like so many yet you do not, you have been become dilluted in this sense and your family line confirms this as it bears no importence for you to leave Turkish Cypriot children to the world. Dont take it the wrong way about becoming dilluted this a natural process as you live in a totally different environment and are effected by your exposure to an alternaitve culture whether this be good or bad but you lose some of your Turkish cypriot culture thats where we differ I live my TC culture on a daily basis and passionately, I think this comes accross in my posts, I love my peoeple and want the best for them, they have suffered enough and are still under isolation, I know you will say what about the GCs I also acknowledge their suffering as well but when you compare we agree both sides suffered badly but what is the result one has has his legs tied together and asked to run a race where the other side got the best running shoes, do you see the difference...why cant both runners be given the same shoes and our feet should be united, equality is the key...what you see fit for yourself you should also see fit for me....obviously we have been unable to do this together then surely doing it seperately is imo the best way forward, once all things are equal then ask people whether if they want unifiaction keeping one side at a disadvantage is not fair or humane.

[Viewpoint]

Well, well, well. Look who's is back.
Our monolithic friend VP.
Welcome back bre, we really missed you.

Talk to you tonight.

Id rather not, as we are 2 totally opposite characters and do not see eye to eye on anything. I find your attitude mentality and style personally offensive. In a united Cyprus you are a person I would definately want not associate with and avoid at all costs.

[BirKibrisli]

I still feel that you have the opportunity to return yet you do not you have been become dilluted in this sense and your family line confirms this as it bears no importence for you to leave Turkish Cypriot children to the world. Dont take it the wrong way about becoming dilluted this a natural process as you live in a totally different environment and are effected by your exposure to an alternaitve culture whether this be good or bad but you lose some of your Turkish cypriot culture thats where we differ I live my TC culture on a daily basis and passionately, I think this comes accross in my posts, I love my peoeple and want the best for them, they have suffered enough and are still under isolation, I know you will say what about the GCs I also acknowledge their suffering as well but when you compare we agree both sides suffered badly but what is the result one has has his legs tied together and asked to run a race where the other side got the best running shoes, do you see the difference...why cant both runners be given the same shoes and our feet should be united, equality is the key...what you see fit for yourself you should also see fit for me....obviously we have been unable to do this together then surely doing it seperately is imo the best way forward, once all things are equal then ask people whether if they want unifiaction keeping one side at a disadvantage is not fair or humane.

I am not offended by your "diluted" comment,Viewpoint.Of course I have been "diluted" after living in Oz for more than 35 years. Our difference is that I see my "dilution process" as positive while you see it as negative.
I am happy to raise children who consider themselves members of the human race before anything else.
You say you live your TC culture "on a daily basis and passionately",but to me that means you are selfcentered,misguided,prejudiced,and blindly nationalistic to the point you have become paranoid and paralysed by fear and hatred of your fellow Cypriots. The level playing field you keep harping on will never happen because two wrongs cannot make one right, you cannot take other people's land and throw them out of their homes at the end of the gun,because someone else did that to you first...
I cannot return to my homeland because I am diluted enough to believe that natural justice dictates you do not go and throw your helpless neighbour into the street,because someone has made you leave your own home...I am diluted enough to believe that "victims" of evictions should unite and fight against the real culprits together,instead of beating each other up...