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[cypezokyli]

So what is the latest on this, Cypez komshu?

Did Hakan/Hristakis and the GC mother accept the DNA findings as final?

its hasan, it is not christakis.
and ocource all of them accepted the results. what else could they do ?

What line is Politis pushing exactly???
Cheers

i dont know.
firstly, we need to acknowledge that parashos has tried to find christakis. and it is not bad that they gave it a shot.... so many things fitted together.

it is also important that they first informed the family and then published the whole thing.

what i didnot like, is the way they decided to present the news (in parts). they created hopes in the public (not in the family). i believe this way was wrong. since the DNA test prooved negative they shouldnt have created all this theme.

perhaps the target was to sell some more pieces.
perhaps in this way they attempted to bring the matter back in the news with the hope if anyone knows something to speak out. in todays article they claim that some tcs added some more information.

in any case i consider the way they chose to present the whole story as not appropriate

[Pyrpolizer]

Something fishy goes on with this story.

Today Politis describes all events that happened between March and end of June.

Here's a summary just for the record.

Christakis had 2 more marks according to his mother. One on his back and one behind the head cause from an illness that left a smal part bold. Hakan had exactly the same marks.

Communication with Hakan was frequent through e-mails and phone calls.The information he was collecting from his end were making the puzzle more complicated than resolving it.
On 14 April Paraschos (the owner of Politis) went again to Adana accompanied by Christakis brother Loizos.
They met at Hakans house and started talking for their childhood memories. They both remember the same games and same places as well as their father telling their mother "don’t shout let the children play" (very strange for Hahan to remember such a thing-according to his Turkish mother his father died when he was 2).The situation started evolving as if they were real brothers invlolving too much bonding and love between Hakan his children Mert and Ilayda and Loizos. In the afternoon hakan showed them around in town and bought presents for everyone especially for his mother in Cyprus.
In the evening the Turkish mother invided them to her own house.A very modern lady in her 70s living with Hakans step brother, his sister with her family and children.She said when Hakan was 6 she was living in Constantinople/Istanbul away from her child and it was actually Hakan’s grandmother who raised him. One of the striking things she said is "if Hakan is not my child then where is my child?"
From April until June all the contact was with e-mails. Hakan was thinking too much for the DNA test, and for the possible consequences.He had problems with his wife who objected very strongly to that.
Beginning of June Hakan decided he would go for the DNA test but he would not do it anywhere else except in UK.
On 20 June they all met in London.Paraschos accorded Hakan to Niki’s house (Christakis sister) living in Hamsted.Niki and her mother greeted him at the doorstep Niki hagged him, Hakan kissed the hand of Myrofora, gave her flowwers and hugged each other.

This photo seems to be from that meeting.



They then had tea and supper and each one told their story.
The next day they had a meeting at DDC (DNA Diagnostics Center) in Hammersmiths where both Myrofora and hakan gave 4 samples of saliva.
While waiting for the next 5 days to get the results Hakan visited the grave of his little brother (from his turkish side??) who got killed in a car accident in London 7 years ago and he returned extremely depressed. The night before the results the had another meeting at Niki’s house where they discussed what they would do if the DNA results were possitive. At that point the discussions turned very serious.

The next day they got the results.
DDC (DNA Diagnostics Center)

Combined Maternity Index 0
Probability of Maternity 0%

Therefore Politis newspaper says: Hakan IS NOT Christakis!

[Damsi]

If you notice in today's politis they publish only a piece of the DNA results paper. It contains no names or dates. It could be anyone's results.
Personally I think it's Christakis and I think Politis are trying to get that across without saying it explicitly, given the other clues they keep hinting at, and not just the once.

Let's see:
scars exactly the same as Christakis
birthmarks in the same place as Christakis
same age
similar features
memories of doctors and nurses and helicopter

To 'out' Christakis could affect Hakan's life. I read somewhere today people are already accusing him of "questioning his Turkishness" by cooperating with the DNA test. If Politis is not genuinely trying to protect these two families by fudging the end results, then I think that putting poor Christakis` mother through all that for the past six months is very cruel.
Seriously, would they do that...get her hopes up to the point of meeting him and then turn around and say it's not him. Maybe I am naive and have too much trust in human nature to think that they would to that to someone just for the sake of a news story.
By leaving it the way they have, ie with some doubts (at least in my mind) if Hakan is Christakis, then a family has been reunited in their own private way without the whole world gaping at them.
In addition, again if he was Christakis, it could cause a lot of political trouble and effect the process of the missing persons issue in general. If the Greek Cypriot side starts making accusations on that level, the whole thing could come to a halt and hundreds of other families could be afffected if the Turkish side decided to close up shop on giving more info.
I would however be prepared to retract my comments if Polits shows me the full DNA results with names and dates, saying Hakan and Christakis are not the same person

[Pyrpolizer]

The fact that Politis says they went straight to DNA testing rather than first checking the blood groups and rhesus is very strange imo.
If I were Hakan I would first ask to tell me what is the blood group and rhesus of both his mother in Turkey and Myrofora was.

I didn't quite understand if Hakan had other brothers/sisters from the same father in Turkey, that could help things with simple blood group testing.

DNA is the FINAL step in such cases, and the most expensive.

[Damsi]

The most logical and simple thing to have done was to do an dna test of Hakan and his mother in Turkey and if that didn't match, then to pursue the matter with Myrofora instead of the song and dance Politis has been making of the story for months now. You are right that something doesn't add up.
I also noticed that none of the other local greek-language papers, and none of the politicians have opened their mouths except initially when the Turkish corporal spoke out in March.
With the clues politis has been reporting prior to the dna results today, i would have thought everyone would have been all over this story...but nothing. Why? RIK often picks up stories from politis but they have been strangely silent on this...unless this story - and obviously Politis have been sitting on it - has been cleared and approved at the highest levels on all sides to do the minimum amount of damage all round.
I love a good conspiracy
Either Christakis is THE biggest story since 1974 or he is a non-story due to the dna results, and if he is a non story, why even bother to report it in the way it was done.
They knew the results even before they started their recent mini-series on it so as far as I am concerned it is a non story from the get go. The proper thing to do in that case would be just to write one article as soon as they got the results saying this guy had been tested and was not Christakis.
Instead they dragged the Georgiou family all over the place, got the negative results and then made a soap opera of it.
It makes no sense to me and I remain skeptical.

[denizaksulu]

So what is the latest on this, Cypez komshu?

Did Hakan/Hristakis and the GC mother accept the DNA findings as final?

its hasan, it is not christakis.
and ocource all of them accepted the results. what else could they do ?

What line is Politis pushing exactly???
Cheers

i dont know.
firstly, we need to acknowledge that parashos has tried to find christakis. and it is not bad that they gave it a shot.... so many things fitted together.

it is also important that they first informed the family and then published the whole thing.

what i didnot like, is the way they decided to present the news (in parts). they created hopes in the public (not in the family). i believe this way was wrong. since the DNA test prooved negative they shouldnt have created all this theme.

perhaps the target was to sell some more pieces.
perhaps in this way they attempted to bring the matter back in the news with the hope if anyone knows something to speak out. in todays article they claim that some tcs added some more information.

in any case i consider the way they chose to present the whole story as not appropriate

SENSATIONALISM

[Pyrpolizer]

That woman with the white hair Myrofora IS ALWAYS present at demos regarding the missing persons holding a photo of Christakis. Keep watching her....

[Get Real!]

I remember a time when Carbon Dating was considered hot shit and nobody dared challenge its results but these days we all know how erroneous it can be.

Has modern science at the launch of the 21st century REALLY mastered the DNA or are we to discover at a future date that the DNA is a lot more complicated than we initially thought?

I shudder at such a thought given the number of people put to death in the name of capitol punishment as a result of “damning” DNA evidence!

[zan]

If I was shown this photo and asked to guess where this man came from I would have said he is Greek Cypriot....

[kafenes]

Politis thought this was a good story to boost sales and eventually become a hero. Now realising the f---k up they are trying to patch this thing all up, but too late, the damage is done.