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[-mikkie2-]

But brother, I said what if the TC's took up their legitimate rights under the RoC. The GC's could not possibly refuse!

The reason why it does not happen or wont happen is because of Turkey and her 35000 troops which are wholy set against the provisions of the RoC constitution. It would mean Turkey would have to re-establish constitutional order under the RoC. It is not us stopping it, it is Turkey.

[boulio]

THATS WHY THE EU CONSIDERS roc as the sole govt.of cyprus with EU law suspended in the North.

[brother]

What the E.U considers and what is the apparent truth is two different things.
You cannot be the legal goverment as you do NOT represent all the people of the island but as such you are nothing more than the caretakers of the current ROC till the day the tc are able to return to their equal partnership as what the ROC was based on when it was created.

I feel you could not enter the E.U with the 1960 constitution as the tc representatives of the ROC were not there to participate in the decision.
But may i add i understand what you are saying Alex.

Mikkie what you say has some merit and some fiction to it but it is something we will debate on another thread as it seems like a legitamate debate why the tc do not claim their place back in ROC.

[turkcyp]

Yes, I know, but the TC's choose not to participate.

I wonder what would happen if all of a sudden the TC's said:

'We would like to re-enter the RoC and take part in its institutions as it is our right.'

Could the GC's say, no you can't? If anything that would put the cat amongst the pigeons don't you think?

Dear Mikkie2,

I have been asking the same question in this forum so many times. (remember the last time we had a discussion about this )

I am currently asking from RoC to determine what are the conditions that are necessary for TCs to participate in political decision making in south. I guess we can open a separate topic for this…

Decisions like

- How many TCs constitute a community referred in 1960 constitution? (10k, 20k, 50k, 100k,????)
- How will we be able to choose our own MPs, and vice president. I mean 1960 constitution says there have to be a separate ballot. Vice president and presindet are not chosen together. Technicalities of these.
- How can TCs register to vote as a TC community member? What are the requirements for these.

Without showing a guidance on these the RoC can not claim that it is the representative of TCs and it can not claim that we choose not to participate in electoral process if RoC does not show us ways to participate.

What do they expect? 10k, 20k, 50k TCs come together and hold an election on their own to choose their MPs. And let's say we did that. Is RoC going to accepts the legitimacy of those MPs and vice president.

[boulio]

How many TCs constitute a community referred in 1960 constitution? (10k, 20k, 50k, 100k,????)


probably all or nothing,the whole community comes back and issues such as property,and land exchange and bi-zonality worked out.

[brother]

Basicly from where i am sitting it seems like you are holding the ROC hostage and will not let us back into our equally created goverment, hence how can you argue you entered the E.U with the 1960 constitution.

[-mikkie2-]

Basicly from where i am sitting it seems like you are holding the ROC hostage and will not let us back into our equally created goverment, hence how can you argue you entered the E.U with the 1960 constitution.

How are we holding the RoC hostage? What is stopping the TC's joining? For example, the RoC asked the TC's to participate in the EU accession process when Cyprus was negotiating EU entry. The TC's refused!

[turkcyp]

How are we holding the RoC hostage? What is stopping the TC's joining? For example, the RoC asked the TC's to participate in the EU accession process when Cyprus was negotiating EU entry. The TC's refused!

Mikkie,

Lets not get into this discussion again.

What RoC wants is that we go to south and start participating decision making like the Greeks as there is no difference between TCs and GCs in the constitution. What they want is hey, why don’t you come over and join the elections and vote and get elected.

That is not what the 1960 constitution says. We were supposed to elect our own representatives and vice president separately than GCs with pre determined responsibilities and duties and rights. We want the 1960 constitution to be applied. Not the current system in south.

If we go and do what RoC government does, then this means we accept to be a political minority in RoC, and than the whole Cyprus problem gets solved the way you want it. One unitary state.

What RoC is doing is just a political game. If they really are serious about letting us participate the RoC, then they should show us ways and guidance how we can exercise our rights from 1960 constitution. Not the rights you give us in the current system.

Tell us how are we going to vote for vice president (not president, GCs choose the president), tell us how to register as a member of TC community so we can have our elections, tell us where are the ballot boxes for TCs. IF you are not telling all these then you should tell us, if nevertheless we miraculously by coming together in numbers and chose 1/3 of MPs and vice president if you will accepts them legitimate or not.

Take care,

[Alexandros Lordos]

Basicly from where i am sitting it seems like you are holding the ROC hostage and will not let us back into our equally created goverment.

So it seems both sides are holding hostages ... we, the government, and you, the territory ...

What an amazing country we live in!

[boulio]

What RoC is doing is just a political game. If they really are serious about letting us participate the RoC, then they should show us ways and guidance how we can exercise our rights from 1960 constitution. Not the rights you give us in the current system.

Tell us how are we going to vote for vice president (not president, GCs choose the president), tell us how to register as a member of TC community so we can have our elections, tell us where are the ballot boxes for TCs. IF you are not telling all these then you should tell us, if nevertheless we miraculously by coming together in numbers and chose 1/3 of MPs and vice president if you will accepts them legitimate or not.

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