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[mehmet]

So what steps do you think Greece should take to punish the Turkish population as revenge for Cyprus? Tell us Piratis, in the name of democracy and human rights, what you believe. Do you suggest arming the Greek population in western Thrace perhaps?

[mehmet]

By the way Piratis, I thought you considered yourself a Cypriot first. It is obvious how strong your Cypriot identity is when you advocate harsh treatment of Turks elsewhere by Greece. You're not so strong for Cypriot identity as you make out are you?

[metecyp]

Tell us Piratis, in the name of democracy and human rights, what you believe. Do you suggest arming the Greek population in western Thrace perhaps?

On one hand, he defends human rights and democracy in Cyprus and on the other hand, he talks about revenge and all which has nothing to do with democracy and human rights...and then we wants us to believe in his sincerity.

[Piratis]

So what steps do you think Greece should take to punish the Turkish population as revenge for Cyprus? Tell us Piratis, in the name of democracy and human rights, what you believe. Do you suggest arming the Greek population in western Thrace perhaps?

What Greece and Cyprus should do has nothing to do with the muslims of western Thrace. It has to do with Turkey itself. For example put a stop to any financial help that Turkey receives from the EU would be a good start.

By the way Piratis, I thought you considered yourself a Cypriot first. It is obvious how strong your Cypriot identity is when you advocate harsh treatment of Turks elsewhere by Greece. You're not so strong for Cypriot identity as you make out are you?

If I believe that Greece or France or China should act in a certain way what that has to do with my Cypriot identity?
Why should I defend Turks??? They are the ones who invaded my country and are currently occupying 1/3 of it.

On one hand, he defends human rights and democracy in Cyprus and on the other hand, he talks about revenge and all which has nothing to do with democracy and human rights...and then we wants us to believe in his sincerity.

if you do not support our human rights then why should I want to support yours? I don't think I ever said I am Jesus, did I? I am not a hypocrite like you that one one hand you want your human rights and at the same time you want to violate ours and you say that our human rights are not "realistic" and "derogations" are needed. What I say is to stop all violations simultaneously, but what you want is to stop only the violations against you and find a way to legalize the violations against us!

Also, I don't expect you to believe anything. I just express my opinion, and I do so because some things have to be said, and not because I am trying to convince you.
It is already very clear to me that you will do everything possible to keep what you stole from us and force something undemocratic in Cyprus. There is nothing you can be convinced about, this is perfectly clear.

[metecyp]

I'm going to keep this short because I'm convinced that it's impossible to communicate with you. I just need to answer your false accusations and that's it.

I just express my opinion, and I do so because some things have to be said, and not because I am trying to convince you.

If you're not trying to convince us and if you're not trying to back up what you're saying, what's the point of expressing your opinion? Maybe you should make a seperate thread named "Piratis thinks..." and express all your views. Your views are not going to change anyway (I haven't seen any change for a while now), and if anyone is interested in what you have to say, they can just go and read your own personal thread. That way people who like to discuss and learn from each other can do so without distrubances like you.

It is already very clear to me that you will do everything possible to keep what you stole from us and force something undemocratic in Cyprus. There is nothing you can be convinced about, this is perfectly clear.

I have nothing else to say to you if this is the conclusion you reach after endless discussions. There are many open-minded TCs with different backgrounds on this forum and none of them slightly agree with you. If this doesn't bother you, I don't know what will.

[Piratis]

So what are your views that changed?

Did you stop to support the violation of our human rights?
Did you stop to support that the equality of 18% and 82% is not something democratic? What I see is that you haven't moved in your position at all. What you have always supported and you continue to support is partition. The only difference is that now you support a disguised partition because such disguise will get you in the EU.

In the past I tried to find common ground, and a quick search in this forum can prove this. After several months I came to the conclusion that Turkey and TCs will not allow for a fair solution in Cyprus.

[boulio]

ive been in this forum for a few weeks and i could have told you that,they want the cake and to eat it.

[turkcyp]

ive been in this forum for a few weeks and i could have told you that,they want the cake and to eat it.

Funny, I say the same thing for GCs all the time....

I guess Einstein was right about the theory of relativity. When you look from my perspective its something else, when you look from your perspective its something else....

And I guess logic tells us that is why we are here talking, so that we can understand each other's perspective. We are not here to convince anybody, and we are not here to find a solution. We are not politicians after all, and we do not officially represent our society and we cant speak on their behalf.

I am here just to understand your point of view. And so far what I am seeing does not want me to make a unified Cyprus with you guys. (not you personally but in general). And I guess what you are seeing is the same from your side of the story.

Take care,

[boulio]

my point of view how things should be?i dont know but bi-zonality dosent seem to be getting anywere,full partion will probably cause more tensions in the future and probably wipe out the t/c in there new country due to turkish interfernce and settlers,i dont know how do countries work with area that are part of there country however have a full autonomy on all aspects of life including education,tourism,economy,argricutlure,infrastructure,local police force etc.

corsica,sardinia areas of spain and many other areas are autonomous how would ths apply to the "trnc" within a united cyprus.

[magikthrill]

Funny, I say the same thing for GCs all the time....

Actually turkcyp the GCs have the cake, it's just that Turkey won't let them have any