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[boulio]

so your saying they greek elite are ruling the t/c currently?i think the 40,000 turkish troops and generals in ankara would beg to differ.

[insan]

so your saying they greek elite are ruling the t/c currently?i think the 40,000 turkish troops and generals in ankara would beg to differ.

You have a flat logic boulio.


Yeah, the Hellenic Ruling Elite keep ruling TCs indirectly by insisting on majority rule, return of all refugees, immediate withdrawal of all Turkish troops, less land ownership to TCs, more coastline for GCs, no temporary-no permenant restricions on rights etc....


The Turkish Generals in Ankara keep emphasizing with capital letters that the day Hellenic Ruling Elite abandon their idea to take control of whole Cyprus, we will withdraw all Turkish troops until the day they change their mind once again to take control of whole Cyprus.

[Piratis]

We don't want to screw GCs as much as possible. All we want to do is to make sure that the past does not repeat itself and we don't end up being excluded from the government for another 40 years living in isolation. If you call this "screwing" GCs then go ahead.

There are perfectly democratic ways to ensure that you will not be excluded from the government, but you ask for the undemocratic one: 18% to be given 50% power. On top of that you want to keep land a whole lot more than your population percentage. You want permanent derogations to out basic human rights.

So yes, it is clear that you are trying to screw us.

How about if we asked similar things:

Power more than 3 times our population percentage (This would effectively mean the 100% of power)

Land twice as much as our population (this effectively means the 100% of the island)

Permanent derogations from TCs human rights etc.

If we were asking for such things wouldn't you say that we wanted to screw you? Wouldn't you find it outrageous? Wouldn't you say "what the fuck are you talking about?", wouldn't you consider such thing a joke that can not even be considered.
Well, thats exactly how we feel.

If you want you can even take it percentage-wise to be more fair to you:

Each non-TC sharing the 50% power means that every 1% or non-TC would have 0.6% power (50/82) so the equivalent would be to give to TCs the 10.8% of power (0.6x18).

Each non-TC gets a state made by the 71% of land, this means about 0.8% land for every non TC. So the equivalent would be if the TC state was 14.5% of the island.

So, how fair does it sound to you a "solution" that would give you 10.8% power and a state of 14.5%? Wouldn't you consider this as screwing you??

[brother]

Piratis i am not for the 50-50 thing as i do not believe it is necessary but there will have to be assurances for the safety of tc as you know you did try to screw the tc and take 100% of the island hence for one minute can you put yourself in a tc position and tell me what you would accept?

What would you accept piratis if you was a tc?

[Piratis]

If I felt to be a Cypriot, and part of all Cypriots then I would accept to live in Cyprus equal with all other Cypriots with my rights and the representation of my community guaranteed.

If I felt that I do not belong to the group called Cypriots but to a separate group called "Turkish Cypriots" that should stay separate from other Cypriots, then I would prefer if partition, but I would accept the partition to be a fairer one where TCs get 18% of land.

I would recognize that having the benefits of unification and independence at the same time is not possible and make a choice. Because no solution will be found until this choice is made.

[brother]

Good try piratis but now go deeper and also remember the past and the future will hold for you and your children.

[-mikkie2-]

You have a flat logic boulio.


Yeah, the Hellenic Ruling Elite keep ruling TCs indirectly by insisting on majority rule, return of all refugees, immediate withdrawal of all Turkish troops, less land ownership to TCs, more coastline for GCs, no temporary-no permenant restricions on rights etc....


The Turkish Generals in Ankara keep emphasizing with capital letters that the day Hellenic Ruling Elite abandon their idea to take control of whole Cyprus, we will withdraw all Turkish troops until the day they change their mind once again to take control of whole Cyprus.

So, Insan, doesn't the Turkish 'ruling elite' have anything to say about this? You are suggesting that the position the TC's find themselves in is purely down to the 'Hellenic Ruling Elite'?

Isn't is more that the TC's are trapped between the legality of the RoC and the Illegality of the invasion and occupation by Turkey?

You insist on pushing this one sided theory of yours and excluding the other side of the coin....

[Alexandros Lordos]

If I felt to be a Cypriot, and part of all Cypriots then I would accept to live in Cyprus equal with all other Cypriots with my rights and the representation of my community guaranteed.

Guaranteed how, Piratis? What would you accept?

[insan]

So, Insan, doesn't the Turkish 'ruling elite' have anything to say about this? You are suggesting that the position the TC's find themselves in is purely down to the 'Hellenic Ruling Elite'?

Isn't is more that the TC's are trapped between the legality of the RoC and the Illegality of the invasion and occupation by Turkey?

You insist on pushing this one sided theory of yours and excluding the other side of the coin....

I've given the answers of these questions several times before. I won't repeat them one more time, mikkie. Sorry.

You are free to keep believing your interpretations of the fact, so do I.

[boulio]

my flat logic insan might seem primative or even narrow minded however brutaly realistic and true.so i dont expect you to answer it because you cant.If the turkish ruling elite are not to balme then that is your opinion but the security resolutions and embargos and ehrc descion beg to differ on the turkish ruling elites stance.food for thought.