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[Pyrpolizer]

Thanks TC for the article of Arkan CHAGLAR.

I don't think any GC disagrees on anything with Arkan. On the other hand Arkan considers Loucas Charalambous his GC equivalent! You will not find many GCs agreeing with Loucas however. On the other hand most TCs find the articles of Loucas amazing!

So I actually see a problem here.
GCs agree with the TCs who challenge the official TC political line
TCs agree with the GCs who challenge the official GC political line

The challengers agree with each other, but the GCs/TCs do not!


We are once again at a dead end road!

[shahmaran]

i like it when you say maybe. this shows doubt in your mind as well and that makes two of us.

as to being a great statesman, maybe he was, but its a far cry to the vision he had of todays turkey.

Turkey has come a LONG way from pre-Ataturk to today, and only because of him, it might not have reached there just yet, but the foundations have been placed by him and i respect him fully for that, there are many people in Turkey who are against his views, mainly religious, and if it takes a 301 or a military intervention to shut them up then so be it, i have no problems with it, only you do because you have no clue....

and about his sexual preferences, i personally couldn't give a shit what so ever, i only said maybe because i have no reason to deny nor to accept your silly preconceptions, its irrelevant, there are many "straight" asshole leaders who pretend to be somebody but are nothing but worthless, trouble making pieces of shit, one being your leader, so pistilos if you want to diss Ataturk you have to find something substantially worthy and provable.

[T_C]

Thanks TC for the article of Arkan CHAGLAR.

I don't think any GC disagrees on anything with Arkan. On the other hand Arkan considers Loucas Charalambous his GC equivalent! You will not find many GCs agreeing with Loucas however. On the other hand most TCs find the articles of Loucas amazing!

So I actually see a problem here.
GCs agree with the TCs who challenge the official TC political line
TCs agree with the GCs who challenge the official GC political line

The challengers agree with each other, but the GCs/TCs do not!


We are once again at a dead end road!

As always Pyro! Thats all our people ever seem to do, walk up and down a dead end road.

I've realised that trying to justify your side always ends up insulting the other side and vice versa. Its just the same thing. We're all pissed off, we all feel messed with and sticking up for our side always ends up insulting the other side. I just don't know. The thing is that we all agree that no one is without fault but all it takes is one small thing to get people flaired up again and we're back to square one. Actually it's not even a dead end road but more of a circular block with loads of shortcuts and alley ways that lead to the same place = where we started.

Since we're like this then I'm sure the people who it's upto to agree on a solution will be the same too, so I won't hold my breath for anything major happening soon. Like I said before I really don't think big things will happen at a fast pace, in a way it might work out better because after all the bs and the negative view of the "others" we've all grown up to believe it might be asking for trouble to unite two groups of people under such circumstances just for the sake of unification.

I'd prefer things to happen slowly so people people could be weaned into living/communicating and accepting eachother. Instead of just throwing them in eachothers arms for the sake of solving a big problem they might be better off seeing things happen slowly, sometimes people go into turmoil when faced with big changes and it would be a shame to see a good oppertunity go down the drain. We all have things to gain from a solution but I don't think it's worth forcing it on people unless they are all ready and willing.

Like they say, good things happen to those who wait, and if its bitter at the start then its sweeter in the end...we'll just have to wait and see but for the time being it's upto all of us to get ready for that day because it will come and the outcome will depend on all of us and the message we spread to our people. No matter what we think of eachother and no matter how much we disagree on this forum, we should all be grown up and brave enough to at least say some positive things about the other side to our own, so at least we can start pulling the brakes on the negativeness and to bear in mind that the day we're all waiting for will come. We will get further and it will be more beneficial if we talk some sense into our own people instead of trying to justify or score points against the other side.

[pitsilos]

i like it when you say maybe. this shows doubt in your mind as well and that makes two of us.

as to being a great statesman, maybe he was, but its a far cry to the vision he had of todays turkey.

Turkey has come a LONG way from pre-Ataturk to today, and only because of him, it might not have reached there just yet, but the foundations have been placed by him and i respect him fully for that, there are many people in Turkey who are against his views, mainly religious, and if it takes a 301 or a military intervention to shut them up then so be it, i have no problems with it, only you do because you have no clue....

and about his sexual preferences, i personally couldn't give a shit what so ever, i only said maybe because i have no reason to deny nor to accept your silly preconceptions, its irrelevant, there are many "straight" asshole leaders who pretend to be somebody but are nothing but worthless, trouble making pieces of shit, one being your leader, so pistilos if you want to diss Ataturk you have to find something substantially worthy and provable.

only me has a problem with article 301? what you live in a cave or something?

so a kid taking the piss out of ataturk and turkey becoming the joker is a good thing right?

and you say that tukey is a democracy. do you know what a democrcy is shahmaran? coz if by reading your reply it sounds you have no clue whatsoever.

what have you got to be worried about shahmaran? ataturk laid the foundations of a faschist state to this very day that makes you shit your pants at the thought of thinking outside the square box.

anyway more comedy to follow if erdy sticks his hand up for the presidency. as i said before the legasy you inherited, a 3rd world mentality with a 3rd world economy to boot.

his legasy. boo, i hope i didn't scare you

[zan]

The guy lives in Australia where a THIRD brain cell would be a blessing and knows nothing about what goes on in Greece and starts throwing stones.

[pitsilos]

hey zan its a hop, a skip, and a jump to success, but to get there you would have to give up chewing gum

[Pyrpolizer]

Thanks TC for the article of Arkan CHAGLAR.

I don't think any GC disagrees on anything with Arkan. On the other hand Arkan considers Loucas Charalambous his GC equivalent! You will not find many GCs agreeing with Loucas however. On the other hand most TCs find the articles of Loucas amazing!

So I actually see a problem here.
GCs agree with the TCs who challenge the official TC political line
TCs agree with the GCs who challenge the official GC political line

The challengers agree with each other, but the GCs/TCs do not!


We are once again at a dead end road!

As always Pyro! Thats all our people ever seem to do, walk up and down a dead end road.

I've realised that trying to justify your side always ends up insulting the other side and vice versa. Its just the same thing. We're all pissed off, we all feel messed with and sticking up for our side always ends up insulting the other side. I just don't know. The thing is that we all agree that no one is without fault but all it takes is one small thing to get people flaired up again and we're back to square one. Actually it's not even a dead end road but more of a circular block with loads of shortcuts and alley ways that lead to the same place = where we started.

Since we're like this then I'm sure the people who it's upto to agree on a solution will be the same too, so I won't hold my breath for anything major happening soon. Like I said before I really don't think big things will happen at a fast pace, in a way it might work out better because after all the bs and the negative view of the "others" we've all grown up to believe it might be asking for trouble to unite two groups of people under such circumstances just for the sake of unification.

I'd prefer things to happen slowly so people people could be weaned into living/communicating and accepting eachother. Instead of just throwing them in eachothers arms for the sake of solving a big problem they might be better off seeing things happen slowly, sometimes people go into turmoil when faced with big changes and it would be a shame to see a good oppertunity go down the drain. We all have things to gain from a solution but I don't think it's worth forcing it on people unless they are all ready and willing.

Like they say, good things happen to those who wait, and if its bitter at the start then its sweeter in the end...we'll just have to wait and see but for the time being it's upto all of us to get ready for that day because it will come and the outcome will depend on all of us and the message we spread to our people. No matter what we think of eachother and no matter how much we disagree on this forum, we should all be grown up and brave enough to at least say some positive things about the other side to our own, so at least we can start pulling the brakes on the negativeness and to bear in mind that the day we're all waiting for will come. We will get further and it will be more beneficial if we talk some sense into our own people instead of trying to justify or score points against the other side.

I agree with most of what you said TC. However I don't think we "are made like that" - I mean to always go in circles/or dead ends. I believe it's the absense of knowledge for the other side. We have enough logic and education to see the right thing these days. It is not the 60s (I call the 60s the era of half ignorance)


We thought the opening of the gates would bring about this knowledge and understanding however nothing signifigant happened. I myself have TC friends, but I never can claim I know the TC society. I just know a few people, and seeing what other TC people say in this forum makes me suspect that the TC people I know are ONLY that specific cast of TC people who are moderate enough to associate with a GC.

You talked about forcing a solution that would bring about a fast change and the possibility of that fast change becoming dangerous. I agree to some degree with that, on the other hand letting things take their time, would in my opinion end up to more division. The 30 catastrophic years consumed by Denktash could well be used for that "cooking time" however Denktash took that useful time away from all of us.

There is nothing left for us that to cross our fingers and pray we get two visionary leaders who would thrust us into a solution whatever the bitterness and dangers that solution might carry with.