shahmaran wrote:Jerry wrote:shahmaran wrote:Jerry wrote:zan wrote:Re-enforcing crap does not make it true Miltiades. You accuse others of believing propaganda but you are dripping with it. Second hand information....From my parents......from my brother in-laws family???????
I see the group that has been trying to destroy VP has now turned their guns on me. How I would love to be a fly on the PM wall.
The fighting that was going on at the time......would you say that as the TCs had no idea what was in store and where all this fighting was heading, that the safest place and the easiest way to defend your selves would be to group. What about the houses of the TCs that were burnt to the ground and people relatives led away and killed. What would you do if your village was taken and the men secreted away to a school and machine-gunned down? What would you do if your daughter was put into the equivalent of a concentration camp and nearly died because of malnutrition and disease? What would you do if you heard all these things happening to your fellow TCs and you could hear bullets and bombs going off in the distance? Of course....How silly of me......You would bend over backwards and kiss your Cypriot arse and know that the great GC public were gathering to help you. What would you do when you heard the president of your so-called country pleading with the rest of the world for help? Put on your Cypriot bulletproof vest and sit tight?
When we can get rid of so called Cypriots like you that only know how to acknowledge and then dismiss these FACTS then and only then will this idealist’s dream come to fruition. Until then I suggest you keep to selling kitchenware and leave the factual events to those that can actually handle them.
You just don't get it Zan do you, the events you refer to were a consequence of attitudes formed resulting from centuries of abuse from Turkey towards everything Greek. I'm not trying to justify the events of the 60s but you cannot ignore what happened before. That said, you should stop playing the poor little victim and accept that both sides are equally to blame for the Cyprus Problem and look to the future. The Cyprus Problem will never be solved if both sides keep digging up the past, we see it here on this forum all the time, in fact you have just done it, accusation followed by counter accusation, both sides always trying to score points.
Accept mutual responsibilityfor the current situation and move on
Centuries of abuse from Turkey? funny that, i thought Turkey was merely around 80 years old, if you mean the times when Greeks were just another bitch under the Ottoman rule, then you are nothing special, it wasn't just about "everything Greek", but we are not the people you should be talking to, i think there are still members of the Ottoman family living about in Turkey and Europe, try writing them a letter of complaint about the past, meanwhile if you are going to advise people to stop digging the past, i presume you should be the first one to NOT do it, don't you think?
Another bigot who does not get it, you may have changed your name 80 years ago but as far as the victims of the Ottomans are concerned you are the same people.
oh yeah talk about bigotry, no body gets "IT" but Jerry, Ataturk fought just as hard against those bloody sultans as he did against the Greek, French and British to set up a democratic Turkey, so where is the logic in getting the Cypriots involved into all of this so called "centuries of abuse" ?
Is this the same Ataturk whose statues are all over north Cyprus defiantly claiming (to Greek Cypriots) "this land is Turkish"
Shamaran you can't tell us how we feel about Turkey today, attitudes, I'm afraid, are shaped by history and Turkish misdeeds against Greeks go back much further than the 60s but let's stop throwing stones at each other and admit both sides are equally to blame and try and solve the problem.
and not mentioning he was pedophile. oops did i just say that, silly me, here comes article 301 
