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[zan]

Let it all out Miltiades. As they say "Better out than in" eh! Show us your real face once again. Silence all those that think differently than you do. You should try counselling others. A swift kick in the balls is a good cure for anything. That chap in "My big fat Greek wedding" was wrong it is not windowlene but a more direct action that is the cure all. Even Kifeas has shown more compassion than you towards VPs leaving and that is saying something. If he were to stop shouting and swearing at everyone like you do when he is challenged he would actually get his point across. As for you, you have no point. My dad used to beat my elder brother with a dried up donkeys dick. He is so stubborn he cannot even stay in a room by himself without wanting to explode. He is a TRUE Cypriot just like you. A gaba kafali. He says things that he does not understand and then blames others for it. Well let me tell you that the old Cyprus is dead. Long live the new Cyprus and if they can get people like you to just get out of the way and let them get on with it then there is some hope.

[humanist]

Kikapu wrote]How can I sue this "thief" Alkan CHAGLAR, for stealing all my material from the Cyprus Forum, to write this article, without even any "acknowledgement" being made to me.[/quote]

Kikapu, you can't sue him, it was my idea. I am suing him LOL.

What a visionary man. Appears lovely also, I e-mailed him directly and has invited me to chat with him about any ideas, I am sure he is open to any suggestions go ahead.

[shahmaran]

Re-enforcing crap does not make it true Miltiades. You accuse others of believing propaganda but you are dripping with it. Second hand information....From my parents......from my brother in-laws family???????

I see the group that has been trying to destroy VP has now turned their guns on me. How I would love to be a fly on the PM wall.


The fighting that was going on at the time......would you say that as the TCs had no idea what was in store and where all this fighting was heading, that the safest place and the easiest way to defend your selves would be to group. What about the houses of the TCs that were burnt to the ground and people relatives led away and killed. What would you do if your village was taken and the men secreted away to a school and machine-gunned down? What would you do if your daughter was put into the equivalent of a concentration camp and nearly died because of malnutrition and disease? What would you do if you heard all these things happening to your fellow TCs and you could hear bullets and bombs going off in the distance? Of course....How silly of me......You would bend over backwards and kiss your Cypriot arse and know that the great GC public were gathering to help you. What would you do when you heard the president of your so-called country pleading with the rest of the world for help? Put on your Cypriot bulletproof vest and sit tight?



When we can get rid of so called Cypriots like you that only know how to acknowledge and then dismiss these FACTS then and only then will this idealist’s dream come to fruition. Until then I suggest you keep to selling kitchenware and leave the factual events to those that can actually handle them.

You just don't get it Zan do you, the events you refer to were a consequence of attitudes formed resulting from centuries of abuse from Turkey towards everything Greek. I'm not trying to justify the events of the 60s but you cannot ignore what happened before. That said, you should stop playing the poor little victim and accept that both sides are equally to blame for the Cyprus Problem and look to the future. The Cyprus Problem will never be solved if both sides keep digging up the past, we see it here on this forum all the time, in fact you have just done it, accusation followed by counter accusation, both sides always trying to score points.

Accept mutual responsibilityfor the current situation and move on

Centuries of abuse from Turkey? funny that, i thought Turkey was merely around 80 years old, if you mean the times when Greeks were just another bitch under the Ottoman rule, then you are nothing special, it wasn't just about "everything Greek", but we are not the people you should be talking to, i think there are still members of the Ottoman family living about in Turkey and Europe, try writing them a letter of complaint about the past, meanwhile if you are going to advise people to stop digging the past, i presume you should be the first one to NOT do it, don't you think?

[pitsilos]

well zan was arguing that cyprus should be given to turkey coz it belonged to it for many years.

but as you clearly said cyprus never belonged to turkey in the first place

[miltiades]

Let it all out Miltiades. As they say "Better out than in" eh! Show us your real face once again. Silence all those that think differently than you do. You should try counselling others. A swift kick in the balls is a good cure for anything. That chap in "My big fat Greek wedding" was wrong it is not windowlene but a more direct action that is the cure all. Even Kifeas has shown more compassion than you towards VPs leaving and that is saying something. If he were to stop shouting and swearing at everyone like you do when he is challenged he would actually get his point across. As for you, you have no point. My dad used to beat my elder brother with a dried up donkeys dick. He is so stubborn he cannot even stay in a room by himself without wanting to explode. He is a TRUE Cypriot just like you. A gaba kafali. He says things that he does not understand and then blames others for it. Well let me tell you that the old Cyprus is dead. Long live the new Cyprus and if they can get people like you to just get out of the way and let them get on with it then there is some hope.

I respond accordingly , when a moron refers to my beliefs of one united people , one Cyprus , and ambition to see a T/C as President of Cyprus because this would herald the end of the" minority , majority issue " and just like in the UK a leader of party that can be from any ethnic group , when a jumped up "poet" living in a world of delusion and still sucks his thump tells me that Cypriots such as my self ought to be gotten rid off so that HIS ambition as stated in an earlier post of moving on with partition and joining the new modern world that Turkey envisages but is a billion miles away , when my accusations at the ROC government as interpreted by a snotty nose kid as propaganda , when in over 2000 posts I have not on one occasion posted crap about my T/C brothers , never once did I lay any blame on either side but always blamed the fanatics and institutions for mentally raping the Cypriots , When you interpret the divine right that I and many more on this forum have of , and get this clear because I have repeated it thousands of times : 1. I DO NOT SEE MAJORITIES OR MINORITIES IN CUPRUS BUT CYPRIOTS. 2. I DO NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN MY CYPRIOT COUNTRYMEN , THEY ARE ALL CYPRIOTS.
3. BOTH SIDES TO A LESSER OR GREATER DEGREE COMMITED CRIMES AGAINST THEIR PEOPLE , NONE IS FREE OF BLAME BUT THE FANATICS.
4. WHEN A POLITICAL PARTY DEVELOPS EMBRACING ALL CYPRIOTS MY DREAM IS TO SEE A T/C AS PRESIDENT OF CYPRUS.
5. I HAVE NO ALLEGIANCE TO GREECE OR TURKEY BOTH OF WHICH HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF OUR CONFLICTS.
6.THE TURKISH FLAG AS WELL AS THE GREEK FLAG ARE A PIECE OF CLOTH THAT STIRS HATRED AND DIVISION AND THEY SHOULD BOTH BE BANNED FROM CYPRUS.
7.I STAND FOR A UNITED CYPRUS WHERE ALL CYPRIOTS ENJOY EQUAL STATUS AND ALL ARE PROTECTED BY THE COURTS BACKED UP BU THE EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
8. ALL FOREIGN TROOPS TO DEPART FROM CYPRUS .
9.ALL CYPRIOTS TO DEMAND FROM THEIR LEADERS TO COMMENCE DISCUSSIONS LEADING TO A JUST SOLUTION .
10. THE ROC OUGHT TO COMMENSE INTENSIFIED EFFORTS TO EMBRACE ALL CYPRIOTS IN ALL OF IT'S ACTIONS BOTH IN CYPRUS AND OVERSEAS.

Now you tell me which of the above ten commitments are A. Partitionist, Propagandists , nonconstructive , hateful and spiteful unreal or non beneficial to the long term interests of our people , that is your people are my people and my people are your people. If you are a Cypriot Turk then I'm a Cypriot Turk , and if I'm a Cypriot Greek then you are a Cypriot Greek.
How many do you support ?? NONE ! I know your mind and I know your style , its a matter of time before you too will follow the other objectionable anti Cypriots the great VPs

[zan]

JUST HOW BACKWARD we are is indicated yet again by our Turkish Cypriot compatriots. This week sees the launch of the ‘first’ festival of its kind celebrating ‘Northern Cyprus’. ‘North Cyprus Fest’ is definitely the first high profile event of this nature although it is not the first event to highlight Cypriots in the UK – these date back to a couple of Camden Cypriot Festivals – which were wrongly attacked in the early 90s by various Greek Cypriot nationalists fuelled by their common hatred of anything that brought Cypriots together. The fact that there is no Cypriot Festival in London that represents all of Cyprus is a failing on the part of everyone, particularly successive governments in Cyprus who are more content with living in the past than building a common future. While our present political leadership is bathing itself in the possible glories of ‘oil’ and the recent military pact with France they are lagging seriously behind in building positive images of Cyprus in cultural ways beyond the island. And before anyone points to various mono-cultural exhibitions occurring in Brussels or London, when I say positive images I mean collaboration as a tool against division. The longer we ignore the other side (and vice versa) the more likely it is that in a few years time ‘North Cyprus Fest’ will become the sole representation of Cyprus on a cultural level in London, and it will probably be happening at the Queen Elizabeth Hall by then. The hate game has been going on for way too long. The point is we are doing nothing to raise the cultural profile of Cyprus in a dynamic unified manner, and that is where the real fault lies. No matter how many times the political representatives meet at Ledra Palace, no matter how long Papadopoulos and Talat carry on procrastinating about a possible meeting, the issue is simply what are they all doing in a practical way to build a united Cyprus…

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 8&cat_id=1


Sort out the club you call the RoC and then the membership will rise. You are wasting your energies trying to sell us something that is not worthy. Physician heal thy self.

[Jerry]

Re-enforcing crap does not make it true Miltiades. You accuse others of believing propaganda but you are dripping with it. Second hand information....From my parents......from my brother in-laws family???????

I see the group that has been trying to destroy VP has now turned their guns on me. How I would love to be a fly on the PM wall.


The fighting that was going on at the time......would you say that as the TCs had no idea what was in store and where all this fighting was heading, that the safest place and the easiest way to defend your selves would be to group. What about the houses of the TCs that were burnt to the ground and people relatives led away and killed. What would you do if your village was taken and the men secreted away to a school and machine-gunned down? What would you do if your daughter was put into the equivalent of a concentration camp and nearly died because of malnutrition and disease? What would you do if you heard all these things happening to your fellow TCs and you could hear bullets and bombs going off in the distance? Of course....How silly of me......You would bend over backwards and kiss your Cypriot arse and know that the great GC public were gathering to help you. What would you do when you heard the president of your so-called country pleading with the rest of the world for help? Put on your Cypriot bulletproof vest and sit tight?



When we can get rid of so called Cypriots like you that only know how to acknowledge and then dismiss these FACTS then and only then will this idealist’s dream come to fruition. Until then I suggest you keep to selling kitchenware and leave the factual events to those that can actually handle them.

You just don't get it Zan do you, the events you refer to were a consequence of attitudes formed resulting from centuries of abuse from Turkey towards everything Greek. I'm not trying to justify the events of the 60s but you cannot ignore what happened before. That said, you should stop playing the poor little victim and accept that both sides are equally to blame for the Cyprus Problem and look to the future. The Cyprus Problem will never be solved if both sides keep digging up the past, we see it here on this forum all the time, in fact you have just done it, accusation followed by counter accusation, both sides always trying to score points.

Accept mutual responsibilityfor the current situation and move on

Centuries of abuse from Turkey? funny that, i thought Turkey was merely around 80 years old, if you mean the times when Greeks were just another bitch under the Ottoman rule, then you are nothing special, it wasn't just about "everything Greek", but we are not the people you should be talking to, i think there are still members of the Ottoman family living about in Turkey and Europe, try writing them a letter of complaint about the past, meanwhile if you are going to advise people to stop digging the past, i presume you should be the first one to NOT do it, don't you think?

Another bigot who does not get it, you may have changed your name 80 years ago but as far as the victims of the Ottomans are concerned you are the same people.

[zan]

The Greeks have never changed their name....How far do you want to go back..........1963 was a good year........

[miltiades]

Not ONE WORD of reconciliation , VP Arise , Zan has taken over . Listen dick head , if you keep going back to the past and using it as an obstacle for a solution what chance are people like you giving the new generation of Cyprus , more conflict and more 1963s , cant you get it through your head that we need to forgive and forget join together in averting future conflict , see our kid and grand children grow up without the hatred that you constantly display , let me hear you say and mean it too .I love all my Cypriot people regardless of language , religion or false motherland aspirations , Yes ZAN YOU REPEAT AFTER ME . THE T/CS ARE MY BROTHERS WHO JOINTLY AND EQUALY OWN THIS ISLAND OF CYPRUS , INDEPENDENT OF TURKEY AND GREECE. Now you say the same substituting T/C with G/C. I bet , you cant bloody wait for that new world that you so much aspire to , the new modern world of Turkey that you long for !!! well its all there for the taking mate but you cant have Cyprus because it is the property of its people , the G/Cs and the T/Cs.

[shahmaran]

Re-enforcing crap does not make it true Miltiades. You accuse others of believing propaganda but you are dripping with it. Second hand information....From my parents......from my brother in-laws family???????

I see the group that has been trying to destroy VP has now turned their guns on me. How I would love to be a fly on the PM wall.


The fighting that was going on at the time......would you say that as the TCs had no idea what was in store and where all this fighting was heading, that the safest place and the easiest way to defend your selves would be to group. What about the houses of the TCs that were burnt to the ground and people relatives led away and killed. What would you do if your village was taken and the men secreted away to a school and machine-gunned down? What would you do if your daughter was put into the equivalent of a concentration camp and nearly died because of malnutrition and disease? What would you do if you heard all these things happening to your fellow TCs and you could hear bullets and bombs going off in the distance? Of course....How silly of me......You would bend over backwards and kiss your Cypriot arse and know that the great GC public were gathering to help you. What would you do when you heard the president of your so-called country pleading with the rest of the world for help? Put on your Cypriot bulletproof vest and sit tight?



When we can get rid of so called Cypriots like you that only know how to acknowledge and then dismiss these FACTS then and only then will this idealist’s dream come to fruition. Until then I suggest you keep to selling kitchenware and leave the factual events to those that can actually handle them.

You just don't get it Zan do you, the events you refer to were a consequence of attitudes formed resulting from centuries of abuse from Turkey towards everything Greek. I'm not trying to justify the events of the 60s but you cannot ignore what happened before. That said, you should stop playing the poor little victim and accept that both sides are equally to blame for the Cyprus Problem and look to the future. The Cyprus Problem will never be solved if both sides keep digging up the past, we see it here on this forum all the time, in fact you have just done it, accusation followed by counter accusation, both sides always trying to score points.

Accept mutual responsibilityfor the current situation and move on

Centuries of abuse from Turkey? funny that, i thought Turkey was merely around 80 years old, if you mean the times when Greeks were just another bitch under the Ottoman rule, then you are nothing special, it wasn't just about "everything Greek", but we are not the people you should be talking to, i think there are still members of the Ottoman family living about in Turkey and Europe, try writing them a letter of complaint about the past, meanwhile if you are going to advise people to stop digging the past, i presume you should be the first one to NOT do it, don't you think?

Another bigot who does not get it, you may have changed your name 80 years ago but as far as the victims of the Ottomans are concerned you are the same people.

oh yeah talk about bigotry, no body gets "IT" but Jerry, Ataturk fought just as hard against those bloody sultans as he did against the Greek, French and British to set up a democratic Turkey, so where is the logic in getting the Cypriots involved into all of this so called "centuries of abuse" ?