Cyprus-Forum.com

[T_C]

I cant see this happening anytime soon either, specially while Tpap is in charge. When we have people in charge who weren't around during the whole war fiasco then I think things will slowly change. This I think is the most important thing, things should be done slowly, with the right people who have the right intentions leading the way.

I don't blame the TCs for not wanting a solution while Tpap is president, someone who had involvement in eoka and who has made blatantly clear his feelings, with his remarks and ideology is just not the right person to have a solution under.

I think its good that small steps are being taken and they should continue to do this slowly so that people are eventually "weaned" into a solution.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

See, this is what makes me laugh about Turkish Cypriots. Here is an article asking you to look introspectively at your community and the way it thinks nationalistically - but many of you already are blaming Greek Cypriots.

There is a BIG nationalistic problem amongsts Turks and Turkish Cypriots but you are too pig headed to admit to it.

[shahmaran]

well try not to laugh too hard or you might just burst your rectum...

[zan]

... It is a sermon for the already converted. ...

That little phrase of yours is all the money, Zan. For you it all seems to boil down to been converted or not, and not an issue of choosing between right from wrong, with the use of conventional logic; as if it is part and /or a matter of some crystallized and embedded religious dogma -out of which one cannot and should not escape, to hold the views and say the things you do. The emotional obstacle of not been regarded or becoming a “converted” one. This little phrase is all the money.

We have already seen the damage one wannabe Inspector Cleuso has done Kifeas and another one with tunnel vision is not needed. You have already made VP into a woman and boasted about being old enough to know these things and along comes Karma and blows you out of the water. VP has not contacted me back yet but when he does that egg will still be on your face. You can take the whole of what I wrote or none at all. If you want to play with what is on the money then I suggest you take up my offer on the other thread and give it to charity.

[miltiades]

I read and I find another idealistic and incomplete article. I was not going to post on this just yet but Miltiades has forced my hand. There are similar articles written by GCs that point out the shortcomings of the RoC in the hope that this sort of dream can be achieved. Are we to completely dismiss these articles and use this one to override those? I have nothing against this article except for the reaction it has created amongst the blind. This is just the final piece of the puzzle, the finished picture that does nothing to highlight the problems faced on a day to day basis. It is a sermon for the already converted. It is a shout of "get behind me Satan". HE makes a brief mention about he road being difficult while some of us that do not necessarily think that it is impossible but a whole lot harder than he suggests.



Then along comes Miltiades:

Just as the T/Cs were forced by the Turkish agenda of partition to abandon their ancestral homes and move into enclaves cutting them selves off from their own RoC , and so now the propaganda machine as operated by the VP department is telling them that there are two Cyprus's , North and South !

What an absolute utter piece of crap.


Please do me a favour Miltiades and send that comment to this man and see what he says. If he even looks at this forum I ask him to please please please reply to this remark and many others just like it. Is he willing to take blame as a TURKISH CYPRIOT for all the wrong doings so that his dreams are fulfilled. They say that the devil is in the detail and he detail is what is bedevilled this whole affair. The devil himself in the guise of the so-called president of Cyprus that has no qualms about calling certain sections of his own peoples "Turk lovers". A part of me is Turkish and that will never change. You insult that part and you insult me as a whole. Perhaps when that hate can be wrenched from your hearts and you can accept me as a whole person then maybe we can start to iron out the other details.

We seem top have many evangelists that preach the word of the lord and we have a lot more that are willing to accept the word without reading the whole book.

Zan , you should apply for the now vacant position of Chief Propagandist for the "trnc" You are another VP who does not see further than your hooter , you are the one that is full of hatred and yet you have the audacity to claim that some one else is !! You have second hand information on the entire Cypriot History. The T/Cs were instructed to leave their ancestral homes and enter the Turkish created enclaves. The G/C fanatics committed atrocities , the T/C fanatics responded in kind. The sad thing is that you and the VPS of Cyprus still walk with your eyes shut. You really expect Bir , Kikapu , Sadik and myself as well as others on this forum to extend our support to the tearing down of our nation so that you and the likes of you are not the least unconvinced while flying in and out of the occupied part of Cyprus. Fat chance mate .
And get this in your head , if you have room from all the bullshit propaganda you come up with. Cyprus is my country as much as it is yours , you are not going to deny me part of my country and neither am i going to deny you of any part of your country. Get it though your head once and for all .

[zan]

Re-enforcing crap does not make it true Miltiades. You accuse others of believing propaganda but you are dripping with it. Second hand information....From my parents......from my brother in-laws family???????

I see the group that has been trying to destroy VP has now turned their guns on me. How I would love to be a fly on the PM wall.


The fighting that was going on at the time......would you say that as the TCs had no idea what was in store and where all this fighting was heading, that the safest place and the easiest way to defend your selves would be to group. What about the houses of the TCs that were burnt to the ground and people relatives led away and killed. What would you do if your village was taken and the men secreted away to a school and machine-gunned down? What would you do if your daughter was put into the equivalent of a concentration camp and nearly died because of malnutrition and disease? What would you do if you heard all these things happening to your fellow TCs and you could hear bullets and bombs going off in the distance? Of course....How silly of me......You would bend over backwards and kiss your Cypriot arse and know that the great GC public were gathering to help you. What would you do when you heard the president of your so-called country pleading with the rest of the world for help? Put on your Cypriot bulletproof vest and sit tight?



When we can get rid of so called Cypriots like you that only know how to acknowledge and then dismiss these FACTS then and only then will this idealist’s dream come to fruition. Until then I suggest you keep to selling kitchenware and leave the factual events to those that can actually handle them.

[Jerry]

Re-enforcing crap does not make it true Miltiades. You accuse others of believing propaganda but you are dripping with it. Second hand information....From my parents......from my brother in-laws family???????

I see the group that has been trying to destroy VP has now turned their guns on me. How I would love to be a fly on the PM wall.


The fighting that was going on at the time......would you say that as the TCs had no idea what was in store and where all this fighting was heading, that the safest place and the easiest way to defend your selves would be to group. What about the houses of the TCs that were burnt to the ground and people relatives led away and killed. What would you do if your village was taken and the men secreted away to a school and machine-gunned down? What would you do if your daughter was put into the equivalent of a concentration camp and nearly died because of malnutrition and disease? What would you do if you heard all these things happening to your fellow TCs and you could hear bullets and bombs going off in the distance? Of course....How silly of me......You would bend over backwards and kiss your Cypriot arse and know that the great GC public were gathering to help you. What would you do when you heard the president of your so-called country pleading with the rest of the world for help? Put on your Cypriot bulletproof vest and sit tight?



When we can get rid of so called Cypriots like you that only know how to acknowledge and then dismiss these FACTS then and only then will this idealist’s dream come to fruition. Until then I suggest you keep to selling kitchenware and leave the factual events to those that can actually handle them.

You just don't get it Zan do you, the events you refer to were a consequence of attitudes formed resulting from centuries of abuse from Turkey towards everything Greek. I'm not trying to justify the events of the 60s but you cannot ignore what happened before. That said, you should stop playing the poor little victim and accept that both sides are equally to blame for the Cyprus Problem and look to the future. The Cyprus Problem will never be solved if both sides keep digging up the past, we see it here on this forum all the time, in fact you have just done it, accusation followed by counter accusation, both sides always trying to score points.

Accept mutual responsibilityfor the current situation and move on

[zan]

Re-enforcing crap does not make it true Miltiades. You accuse others of believing propaganda but you are dripping with it. Second hand information....From my parents......from my brother in-laws family???????

I see the group that has been trying to destroy VP has now turned their guns on me. How I would love to be a fly on the PM wall.


The fighting that was going on at the time......would you say that as the TCs had no idea what was in store and where all this fighting was heading, that the safest place and the easiest way to defend your selves would be to group. What about the houses of the TCs that were burnt to the ground and people relatives led away and killed. What would you do if your village was taken and the men secreted away to a school and machine-gunned down? What would you do if your daughter was put into the equivalent of a concentration camp and nearly died because of malnutrition and disease? What would you do if you heard all these things happening to your fellow TCs and you could hear bullets and bombs going off in the distance? Of course....How silly of me......You would bend over backwards and kiss your Cypriot arse and know that the great GC public were gathering to help you. What would you do when you heard the president of your so-called country pleading with the rest of the world for help? Put on your Cypriot bulletproof vest and sit tight?



When we can get rid of so called Cypriots like you that only know how to acknowledge and then dismiss these FACTS then and only then will this idealist’s dream come to fruition. Until then I suggest you keep to selling kitchenware and leave the factual events to those that can actually handle them.

You just don't get it Zan do you, the events you refer to were a consequence of attitudes formed resulting from centuries of abuse from Turkey towards everything Greek. I'm not trying to justify the events of the 60s but you cannot ignore what happened before. That said, you should stop playing the poor little victim and accept that both sides are equally to blame for the Cyprus Problem and look to the future. The Cyprus Problem will never be solved if both sides keep digging up the past, we see it here on this forum all the time, in fact you have just done it, accusation followed by counter accusation, both sides always trying to score points.

Accept mutual responsibilityfor the current situation and move on

Jerry I get it mate don't you worry. The TCs are way behind on the propaganda front and we are just trying to put right the history that people like Miltiades is distorting. For a long while the world thought that we the TCs were to blame for everything. To correct my self we the TCs did not even exist for a long while. The GC propaganda is all about Turkey and this was the way that they sidelined us. Well we have well and truly arrived on the map and now we are refusing to go away so the GC anger and propaganda is turning on us. This time though we too are educated enough to stand up and be counted as you can see and read on this forum and others. The problem with the GC mentality is that they have lied for so long that they themselves believe everything they said and that is to be redressed through dialogue. I will only accuse when my people or I are being accused. There is not one people in Cyprus as the propagandist Miltiades would have you believe but two and of equal status. When the sensible ones of their kind start to take over and acknowledge the wrongs they did and the land they forced us out of then some movement can happen. This is not a one way road. To be honest with you I am angrier with my government that they do not do more to counter this propaganda and maybe then we can see the GC versions stop. Just like the old boy that posts here they have this new version of acknowledging and then dismissing our version all in one breath. Yes dear that did happen but it does not matter, come into the lions den.

[Jerry]

Like I said Zan you just don't get it. The propaganda advantage (if one exists) is easily counter balanced by the military superiority of the other side. Both side have differnt strengths and weaknesses and use them to gain advantage. Genetically we are the same people, the first time I visited Cyprus I could not tell who was what. Greece has almost given up trying to pull the communities apart, its about time Turkey joined the 21st century and encouraged the Cypriots to make peace with each other. If you read and understand my previous post you will understand what caused "the lions den" to be created.

[miltiades]

Re-enforcing crap does not make it true Miltiades. You accuse others of believing propaganda but you are dripping with it. Second hand information....From my parents......from my brother in-laws family???????

I see the group that has been trying to destroy VP has now turned their guns on me. How I would love to be a fly on the PM wall.


The fighting that was going on at the time......would you say that as the TCs had no idea what was in store and where all this fighting was heading, that the safest place and the easiest way to defend your selves would be to group. What about the houses of the TCs that were burnt to the ground and people relatives led away and killed. What would you do if your village was taken and the men secreted away to a school and machine-gunned down? What would you do if your daughter was put into the equivalent of a concentration camp and nearly died because of malnutrition and disease? What would you do if you heard all these things happening to your fellow TCs and you could hear bullets and bombs going off in the distance? Of course....How silly of me......You would bend over backwards and kiss your Cypriot arse and know that the great GC public were gathering to help you. What would you do when you heard the president of your so-called country pleading with the rest of the world for help? Put on your Cypriot bulletproof vest and sit tight?



When we can get rid of so called Cypriots like you that only know how to acknowledge and then dismiss these FACTS then and only then will this idealist’s dream come to fruition. Until then I suggest you keep to selling kitchenware and leave the factual events to those that can actually handle them.

And how do you propose to get rid of the Cypriots like my self you ignorant uncouth little peasant , who posts in the same way that the quitter did , do you propose that this island that belongs to Cypriots should all be occupied by Turkey , well when you get out of nappies and
discover where all these shit that you post comes from then perhaps we can have a debate . You dare reticule my posts of peace amongst our people by regurgitating the crap that you learned from VP . Never once have I laid any blame on one or the other side , I have advocated going forward as one nation and one people , where in that do you jumped up little tart find anything objectionable.
Let me say it once more . You are full of hatred for your fellow Cypriots and that ignoramus is the difference between you and Miltiades.