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Ledra wall is being knocked down!

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Postby raymanuva » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:48 am

i posted regarding YOUTUBE ban in TURKEY..
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Postby GAVCARoCOM » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:50 am

2 years and it will not be Cyprus problem I have the info from very trustfull source
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Postby karma » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:55 am

GAVCARoCOM wrote:2 years and it will not be Cyprus problem I have the info from very trustfull source

gav, i have a gr8 idea to become rich! please run to Cyprus and pick all the stones around Lokmaci gate, then we can sell them as souvenir to the tourists this summer, 1 stone 3 CYP, can u imagine??
shhhhhhhh, dont say it to any1 else plz :wink:
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Postby GAVCARoCOM » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:20 am

karma wrote:
GAVCARoCOM wrote:2 years and it will not be Cyprus problem I have the info from very trustfull source

gav, i have a gr8 idea to become rich! please run to Cyprus and pick all the stones around Lokmaci gate, then we can sell them as souvenir to the tourists this summer, 1 stone 3 CYP, can u imagine??
shhhhhhhh, dont say it to any1 else plz :wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

you told me you will sell the ideas :idea:
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Postby twinkle » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:58 am

It's not like the Berlin Wall coming down, people!! You will still have to go through the formalities of showing your passport!

My belief is that it was opened because Ledre St is going into demise. The properties around the area are old and can't be repaired because of the location. Open up a crossing point, improve the area, rebuild and renovate. More money into Ledra St. More customers, more money. Everyone happy. Look at Pyla. From a donkey shed to an up and coming village!

Face facts.... we are living the "solution"......
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Postby fanourıo » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:12 pm

QUESTION: Why midnight?
QUESTION: Another Papadopoullos "ace from the sleeve for re-election purpose?
QUESTION: Why was this ordered when he was in Brussels if not to impress EU?
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Postby fanourıo » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:13 pm

ANSWERS:
THE WALL

By Fanos Droushiotis

Another ace out of Papadopoullos's sleeve was drawn yet at midnight on Thursday with the work of demolishing the wall at the end of Ledra street in South Nicosia ending at 3 am of Friday.
After the oil busiess Papdooullos had to find a way to impress the voters at the next presidential elections that he also cares about peace on the island, so he decides to give the order for the demolition.
But he gave the order when he was in Brussels where he would give a press conference to international media, so in this manner he would impress the europeans as well. Clever man, the Greek Cypriot Leader had to use international press in order to impress, proving yet for another time that he is not serious because he has not yet opened the passage on one hand and he is persistent in not meeting President Mehmet Ali Talat to discuss any proposal on the other.
The whole move, which is questioned as far as its timing is concered, does not convince anybody about the intentions of Tassos Papadopoullos. I could easily call it "cheap politics" and I woud have every right in doing so.
Judging from the statements made by Tassos Papadopoullos I might be more than confirmed:
Our government has planned unilaterally the demolition of the wall in Ledra Street in Nicosia, Tassos Papadopoulos has said.
Papadopoulos` statement followed the start a few hours earlier of the demolition of the National Guard wall in this commercial street in the walled city of the capital Nicosia.
The Greek Cypriot Leader, currently in Brussels for the EU summit, clarified that the demolition of the wall would not lead to opening of a crossing for people to and from the Turkish-controlled area unless the Turkish military forces withdraw from the area and mines removed.
Tassos Papadopoulos repeated that the Greek Cypriot side’s proposals for the opening of the Ledra Street put forward to the United Nations last year were still valid.
``Now that the check point of the National Guard of the Republic at Ledra Street has been demolished, we will see whether the Turkish troops withdraw to allow the passage to open,`` he said, adding that this move had been planned some fifteen days ago.
Papadopoulos said that ``to remove any pretext that they (Turks) were ready to open the passage by demolishing the footbridge, tonight we demolished the checkpoint on our side.``
He recalled that what he had repeatedly said in the past was that ``once they (Turks) agree to withdraw the troops, our check point could be removed within 24 hours.``
``Now we shall see whether the Turkish troops will withdraw so that a crossing can open,`` he added, noting that ``of course, if the troops are not withdrawn and the buildings on either side of the street are not reinforced, there cannot be a passage to allow people to cross.``
Papadopoulos recalled that in December 2005 ``we submitted proposals to UNFICYP for the opening of eight crossing points`` across the dividing line in Cyprus.
Two of them are already in operation, one near Ledra Palace, in Nicosia, the other one outside Astromeritis, west of Nicosia, but the Turkish Cypriots were not prepared to open more crossing points.
``We eventually submitted another proposal for the opening of the Ledra Street, where as you know the check points are not more than 50 yards away from each other. We said that we were prepared to open on our side when the buildings on either side of the street would be strengthened and possible mine fields will be lifted and the most important condition, the Turkish troops should be withdrawn from the area,`` he added.
He said the Greek Cypriot side had proposed that military forces should be withdrawn 100 yards away from the check points or in the alternative that the whole of the walled city of Nicosia should be demilitarised and thus everybody understood that it would be impossible for civilians to cross there.``
It was meant to be an act of confidence building measure and we realized that if civilians had to pass through armed Turkish occupation troops, instead of being a confidence building measure it would be a source of friction, he added.
Papadopoulos said ``They (Turks) thought by building this footbridge that Turkish troops would be patrolling underneath the bridge while the civilians would be going over the bridge. Of course, that was unacceptable to us and discussions were going on for a long time.``
``Eventually, I think under pressure from Turkish Cypriot shop owners Mehmet Ali Talat demolished the footbridge,`` he said adding that Turkish troops were annoyed by this.
``All the time they were saying they had made a big gesture by removing a footbridge which they unnecessarily built. They wanted to get credit for doing a very important act. But all along we were insisting that the main reason why the passage was not opened was the existence of Turkish troops,`` Papadopoulos said.
So, a simple minded Cypriot would ask himself: Is he serious? Answer: NO !
But yet there is another question: Why did an important act such as the demolition of the wall dividing Nicosia had to happen at midnight? Why not during daytime?
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Postby iceman » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:20 pm

BigDutch wrote:Come on peeps - historic event - where are the YouTube clips and photos ?


Not you tube but the video of the demolition is here >>
http://www.blinkx.com/burl?id=11949393
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Postby fanourıo » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:22 pm

big deal! just a re-election TP trick!
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Postby BigDutch » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:33 pm

But one would argue everything that happens in Cyprus is a trick for one side or the other.

For every "trick" for either side, there will be people that take it at face value and people that see the conspiracy.

Coming generations will forget the conspiracy and just see each "trick" at face value. With this "trick" they eventually be freely travelling across the greenline.

The greenline will slowly go from "defacto border" to casual crossing, business will start to operate across the green-line.

Slowly slowly ... relations will be normalised.

But it is great for the media to blow everything out of proportion to scare/excite the masses on both sides of green line ... all to grow their ego as they aim to be #1 "reporter" ... twats
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