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[Pyrpolizer]

I don’t know how many of you have ever paid any attention to all those cripled men some of them on wheelchairs, others with one foot or one arm taking part or marching proudly in parades. Presumably they are proud because they sucrificed themselves for an ultimate cause of "freedom". These people get satisfaction from what is called "collective success" . The reality is their own life has been destroyed.

I mention this because it is obvious in this forum that there are so many TCs in exactly the same situation. They have lost everything, yet they are ready to lose even more just to get the feeling of "collective success".

The question is do you see this as well? Is this a form of nationalism?

[Get Real!]

I mention this because it is obvious in this forum that there are so many TCs in exactly the same situation. They have lost everything, yet they are ready to lose even more just to get the feeling of "collective success".

The question is do you see this as well? Is this a form of nationalism?

I'm sure many TCs see the "TRNC" as the "freedom" promised by Turkey since the early fifties.

I wonder though how many realize that all that Turkey ever gave them was a flag pole!

People the world around have much in common because at the end of the day what matters is Jobs, Social security, Healthcare, Housing, etc, and if these basic modern needs are not adequately met then it has all been for nothing.

In the past people fed off Nationalism... the aquisition of dreams, but today there's a new kid on the block... the acquisition of materials goods and it takes a lot more than a flag and a gun to provide these.

[Piratis]

And thats why the Annan plan came (in the way it did) and the sales of the GC properties and the promises for recognition, trade and money to the pseudo state. Those that want a divided Cyprus would leave the TCs without a reason to continue to support the occupation would they?

[shahmaran]

yes Pyr and I'm sure it exist within most living things including the GCs!! everyone has a sense of belonging, this usually starts off from family and expands to friends, neighbours, city, nation, ethnicity, humanity, nature etc. i believe it is called "reciprocal altruism" and it is probably genetic, but what is the actual point you are trying to get to?

now that VP is leaving are you going to start insulting crippled old war veterans? sounds about right in there within your range

[shahmaran]

i love the way you call it a "syndrome" as well, like it is some sort of a disease that is only exclusive to the TCs...

[zan]

I mention this because it is obvious in this forum that there are so many TCs in exactly the same situation. They have lost everything, yet they are ready to lose even more just to get the feeling of "collective success".

The question is do you see this as well? Is this a form of nationalism?

I'm sure many TCs see the "TRNC" as the "freedom" promised by Turkey since the early fifties.

I wonder though how many realize that all that Turkey ever gave them was a flag pole!

People the world around have much in common because at the end of the day what matters is Jobs, Social security, Healthcare, Housing, etc, and if these basic modern needs are not adequately met then it has all been for nothing.

In the past people fed off Nationalism... the aquisition of dreams, but today there's a new kid on the block... the acquisition of materials goods and it takes a lot more than a flag and a gun to provide these.

All those things my family and I have had for years and they have not been enough to satisfy our need for an identity. I could very easily forget the Cypob and get on with my life without the stress of writing on these forums but I feel I have to. My identity, whether it is in a united or partitioned island is of utmost importance to me and my children so palming us off with sweets is obviously not an alternative.

[Pyrpolizer]

i love the way you call it a "syndrome" as well, like it is some sort of a disease that is only exclusive to the TCs...

What "collective success"do the GCs have to have such a syndrome? Yes it is a disease because it's illogical to suffer individually for others to profit.

All you have to do is just look how much land Denktash & Co got for themselves.

[Pyrpolizer]

I mention this because it is obvious in this forum that there are so many TCs in exactly the same situation. They have lost everything, yet they are ready to lose even more just to get the feeling of "collective success".

The question is do you see this as well? Is this a form of nationalism?

I'm sure many TCs see the "TRNC" as the "freedom" promised by Turkey since the early fifties.

I wonder though how many realize that all that Turkey ever gave them was a flag pole!

People the world around have much in common because at the end of the day what matters is Jobs, Social security, Healthcare, Housing, etc, and if these basic modern needs are not adequately met then it has all been for nothing.

In the past people fed off Nationalism... the aquisition of dreams, but today there's a new kid on the block... the acquisition of materials goods and it takes a lot more than a flag and a gun to provide these.

All those things my family and I have had for years and they have not been enough to satisfy our need for an identity. I could very easily forget the Cypob and get on with my life without the stress of writing on these forums but I feel I have to. My identity, whether it is in a united or partitioned island is of utmost importance to me and my children so palming us off with sweets is obviously not an alternative.

You said most of your property is in the dead zone. With partition you will lose everything for ever. You are old enough that you ll propably never come back again. Almost zero chances for your children to ever come live here.

So its obvious the identity you are looking for, for whatever years you are left to live on this planet, is exactly aiming at what I said. The "collective success" syndrome.

[zan]

What about my retirement Pyro????I am not dead or ready to give up yet mate. A nice little place on top of a mountain with the proceeds of my house here in the UK and some savings should see me through don't you think.


The other thing is what is wrong with the collective?????

[shahmaran]

Yes it is a disease because it's illogical to suffer individually for others to profit.

unfortunately thats exactly what altruism is and its not a disease and its not exclusive to turks