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[Murataga]

I will not continue with writing in this thread anymore for I believe the undisputable evidence I have presented here and the replies which they have received showed alot to individuals with any dignitiy and consciousness. As a very smart Greek in the name of Aristotle once said:

"Even God can not change the past"

So, I suggest as mortals, let`s not attempt denying it. Thank you.

[Murataga]

p.s. be sure to read my last message on page 7...

[BirKibrisli]

@ Zan...

I use the term "invasion" because that is the closest term in the English language to describe what happened.When a foreign country uses warships and warplanes to land troops on another country's soil,that is an invasion.

The motivation behind the invasion is another matter.I am on record for saying that Turkey was within her international quarantee rights to invade Cyprus when she did,to restore the integrity and independence of the Republic of Cyprus.

It is also my opinion that she was 11 years too late,because the integrity of the 1960 agreement was violated in December 1963.

The events following the 74 invasion proved that Turkey did not have the interests of the TCs when she landed troops on Cyprus,nor did she have the interests of the Republic of Cyprus,whose independence and sovereignty she was to guarantee...

That turned the the 74 invasion into an illegal act of occupation,which resulted in the human rights of 250,000 Cypriots (I am including the TCs as well who was forced or convinced to become refugees) being trumpled on.

BTW,the events I described with the hand grenade and my getting ready to kill my mother and sisters happened in 1963.That was when we really needed Turkey's help,which of course was not forthcoming.As a result,my family and your family and countless other families had to go into exile to find a life worth living.I left Cyprus in 1969.The invasion of 74 is now stopping me from returning to my motherland,because I refuse to call TRNC my country.I will not go and live in a military open prison,and I will not go and live in the Greek Cypriot run South where I will only be grudgingly tolerated by the majority of my compatriots, in my own country...

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

So what we have here is a bunch of Turkish Cypriots condemning the Greek Cypriot community who once wanted Enosis with Greece and wished to achieve it democratically - but who themselves (TC) actually have acheived Enosis with Turkey in a brutal and illegal manner. Quite ironic.

The thing that also makes me laugh is these same TC people will put so much emphasis on the same odd meaningless quotes (which or often taken out of context) in order to back up their Enosis. What is the Turkish word for 'union' anyway?

[zan]

@ Zan...

I use the term "invasion" because that is the closest term in the English language to describe what happened.When a foreign country uses warships and warplanes to land troops on another country's soil,that is an invasion.

The motivation behind the invasion is another matter.I am on record for saying that Turkey was within her international quarantee rights to invade Cyprus when she did,to restore the integrity and independence of the Republic of Cyprus.

It is also my opinion that she was 11 years too late,because the integrity of the 1960 agreement was violated in December 1963.

The events following the 74 invasion proved that Turkey did not have the interests of the TCs when she landed troops on Cyprus,nor did she have the interests of the Republic of Cyprus,whose independence and sovereignty she was to guarantee...

That turned the the 74 invasion into an illegal act of occupation,which resulted in the human rights of 250,000 Cypriots (I am including the TCs as well who was forced or convinced to become refugees) being trumpled on.

BTW,the events I described with the hand grenade and my getting ready to kill my mother and sisters happened in 1963.That was when we really needed Turkey's help,which of course was not forthcoming.As a result,my family and your family and countless other families had to go into exile to find a life worth living.I left Cyprus in 1969.The invasion of 74 is now stopping me from returning to my motherland,because I refuse to call TRNC my country.I will not go and live in a military open prison,and I will not go and live in the Greek Cypriot run South where I will only be grudgingly tolerated by the majority of my compatriots, in my own country...

Thank you, at least we got a few things cleared up but I do not agree with your interpretation of the word invasion or the idea that Ecevit had no compassion for his brothers the Turkish \Cypriots. I agree with you that that was not the only reason that Turkey moved when it did. You seem to imply that Turkey should have just walked away from its interests in Cyprus after hundreds of years just because the Greek majority wanted it. You make no mention of what the relations were between Turkey and Greece and I suppose you will say that not every event can be mentioned in one posting but then you style suggests that they were wrong full stop. We have discussed the strategic importance of Cyprus to Turkey and the claim of ownership but that gets ignored with your comments.


We have all discussed the fact that Turkey took so much of Cyprus to give it some thing to bargain with and the RoC has done nothing to even come close to giving a little for the wants of the TCs. If your ideal is a complete surrender then you can and have done that as an individual and have every right to do so but this attitude against your fellow TCs is misplaced and suspicious to say the least. We have been called all the barbaric names under the sun and you are not even a little angry with the accusers but want to embrace your tormentors. Again, do so please because I personally have had enough of this TC trait of self-defecation. I and others like me are standing tall and as soon as possible we will regain our proud TC culture and pride with our newfound members. We all have to start from somewhere and if we cannot go back then forward it has to be in a new culture and a new people.

[Piratis]

I will not continue with writing in this thread anymore for I believe the undisputable evidence I have presented here and the replies which they have received showed alot to individuals with any dignitiy and consciousness. As a very smart Greek in the name of Aristotle once said:

"Even God can not change the past"

So, I suggest as mortals, let`s not attempt denying it. Thank you.

What is also undisputed is that thinking, talking or dreaming of enosis is not a crime. So whats the whole point of your thread? That GCs could not get out of their minds the enosis idea from one day to the next and immediately replace it with what has been imposed on them against their will, instead of being allowed to choose what they wanted in a democratic way as it has been their right?

If thats your point then you are right. But where is the crime or illegality in that? The crime is what you support, the illegal occupation of Cyprus by Turkey, and no lame excuses can change this fact.

[askimwos]

I think the original question was whether GCs today have the aspiration of Enosis.
The answer is a RESOUND NO. There are some excemptions, maybe in the order of 3-5% that still dream about Enosis - I am sad to say that the majority of these people are the same people that got involved in the 1974 coup and were not punished in the name of unity.

As for the Turkish invation being called by some forum members a Peace Operation, the facts talk from themselves:
- 6,000 dead (1% of the then population)
- 2,000 missing people (0.3% of the population)
- 250,000 refugees (1/3 of the population)

These figures if compared to Turkey's population would correspond to:

- 700,000 dead
- 230,000 missing
- 25,000,000 refugees

The above numbers clearly state how peaceful this operation has been.

As for the TCs please don't be diluted, the Turkish invation was not to save the TCs - the sooner this is understood by some, the closer we are to a solution.

Makarios was quick to call the military junta intervention an invation, the same goes for the great majority of GCs - after 33 years some TCs compatriots still call the Turkish invation a "peaceful intervention"

Finally, please stop using the "enosis" propaganda bullshit, polls in the RoC have revealed in the past that this is not the case. However, this cannot be said about the situation in the north regarding taksim.

[zan]

I am beginning to think that the GC computers are different to the ones the rest of us use. The reason I think this is because the numbers they quote vary uncontrollably. What I think the difference is that they have an arm on the side of it that they pull when entering numbers and like a fruit machine or a one arm bandit it just stops at random numbers and that is what we see. Has anyone got three cherries yet

[pitsilos]

hey zan still got the ottomans boots on i see.

turkey owned kirkuk as well why not get down there and take that too. its one hell of lot more beneficial than an island.

[zan]

hey zan still got the ottomans boots on i see.

turkey owned kirkuk as well why not get down there and take that too. its one hell of lot more beneficial than an island.

Quite simple lover, not my island!