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[Get Real!]

Piratis...

What I said is perfectly precise.

I love confidence!

[Get Real!]

Birkibrisli, I would really appreciate you taking your questions that do not pertain to my inital one, to another thread. Although we do not like each other, I hope you can at least extend such courtesy. Thanks.

Birki can take my place.

[zan]

Kikapu the propaganda police does not seem to be doing a fair job





As far as Cypriots go what happened before our independence is of no consequence. What happened after we got our republic was Illegal as far as ENOSIS goes and a few well documented things that that prat Makarios did to endanger our lives. As per usual Piratis' uses Ottoman oppression to justify the planed extermination of a third of all Cypriots with the Akritas plan. Witnesses come here and tell of what they saw and suffered but the Greek propaganda goes on. Any votes on the ENOSIS subject were done without the TCs so the claim that anything to do with this idea has to be deemed ilegal. Confusing issues is a well known ploy by Piratis and I am glad that more and more people are speaking out against him. Bir him self has stated the state of readiness he was put in at the time in which he would kill himself if the Greeks captured him and still he uses the word invasion for the Turkish soldiers that helped save him and his kind.

[polis]

So it is not entirely TC propaganda when they claim the Turkish invasion saved some GCs (the leftists and Makarios supporters,I suppose)...

The coupists killed several 100s of GCs resistance fighters.

Nonsense. The complete list of all the fatalities of the coup was published by the government a few years back. They are just under 100 and practicaly all of them died during the heavy fighting that took place in primarily in Nicosia in the first day of the coup and to a lesser extend in Limassol in the second day. Almost half the victims were soldiers, memebers of the coupist forces. There are no fatalities after the 16th July and no indication of even isolated incidents of arbritrary killings on behalf of either the coupist or the pro-government forces.

[Viewpoint]

So it is not entirely TC propaganda when they claim the Turkish invasion saved some GCs (the leftists and Makarios supporters,I suppose)...

The coupists killed several 100s of GCs resistance fighters.

Nonsense. The complete list of all the fatalities of the coup was published by the government a few years back. They are just under 100 and practicaly all of them died during the heavy fighting that took place in primarily in Nicosia in the first day of the coup and to a lesser extend in Limassol in the second day. Almost half the victims were soldiers, memebers of the coupist forces. There are no fatalities after the 16th July and no indication of even isolated incidents of arbritrary killings on behalf of either the coupist or the pro-government forces.

Figures can be manipulated and the 6000 total deaths in 1974 claimed by GCs, imo also includes deaths during the Greek coup which is said to be around 1500/2000. We also lost many Turkish soliders but these are never revealed, so as not to demoralize the army but again it is said to be around 2000 deaths especially on the shore landing as they were being picked off by GC snipers and bombed from the mountains.

[eracles]

ohhh! Here is another one of my favorites:

14 March 1971, Archbishop Makarios III speech at Yialousa
Cyprus is Greek. Cyprus has been Greek since the dawn of its history, and it will remain Greek. Greek and undivided we have taken it over, Greek and undivided we shall preserve it. Greek and undivided we shall deliver it to Greece.

hmmm, did this actually take place, a google search finds only 4 instances on Turkish propaganda sites....

[polis]

... deaths during the Greek coup ... is said to be around 1500/2000.

These figures are absolutely ficticious. There is a complete official list of every single person that died during the coup which I think I still have somewhere and can post if it makes any difference. The numbers you are stating are plain nonsense. The casualty figure is just under 100 and practically all of them died on the 15th and 16th July during the heavy fighting between the coupist and the pro-government forces.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Surprise Surprise - more blatent Turkish propagnda and lies...then you get people like Zan accusing Greek Cypriots of the doing the same when they do not.

[Murataga]

eracles- there are other sources of information other than "google". The source of that particular quote you mention is from the book of Michael Moran- Sovereignity Divided- Essays on the International Dimensions of the Cyprus Problem (1998). Michael Moran thaught philosophy at the University of Sussex for many years and has held teaching and research posts in many universities in England, France and Switzerland.

The quote is also given in a couple of Dentash`s books but if I were to reference that, you`d most probably mark it as "propaganda junk". But guess what.... it isn`t.

[zan]

Surprise Surprise - more blatent Turkish propagnda and lies...then you get people like Zan accusing Greek Cypriots of the doing the same when they do not.