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[PEACE]

On 5 December 2003 a law is accepted by Republic Of Cyprus Parliment.
According to this law a memorial will be arranged about Asia Minor event.
In that law its writing " In Cyprus as a unseperated piece of Hellenizm we also feel the yoke of the Turks ..."

This law that accepted created a bad effect. Some of the TCs crictisized the "Cyprus as a unseperated piece of Hellenizm " part. What do you know about this Asia Minor Law and whats ur idea?

[Noname75]

I don't know anything about such a law (do you have a link?) but I don't find anything wrong with the "Cyprus as a unseperated piece of Hellenizm " part.

The great majority of the people of this island is Greek for almost 3500 years. We speak greek and we have greek culture. So whats the problem with that?

Turks live in Asia Minor(Turkey) for much less time than Greeks live in Cyprus. And in Turkey there is also a big minority of about 20% (Kurds). Does that mean that we should stop saying that Turkey is Turkish?

[PEACE]

The great majority of the people of this island is Greek for almost 3500 years. We speak greek and we have greek culture. So whats the problem with that?

Problem is this... You make differantiation and saying this first ! According to me we are first Cypriot then Turkish or Greek Or Armenian! If you make differantiation this can cause racialism and different behaviour to each other.May be as number we are less then Greek population but our position is not minority.This is also accepted with 1960 agreements partly! This island is only Cypriot's... Not a Greek island nor Turkish or Armenian!

If we want peace and happiness on this island first we have to accept we are "cypriot" first then if asked origin should be determined i think.Also communities shouldn't claim that they are "superior".

[Noname75]

I agree 100% that we are first Cypriots and then anything else. As Cypriots we have many things in common, and if the invasion didn't happen GC and TC would have more things in common than a GC with a Greek and a TC with a Turkish.

I NEVER said that anybody is superior. I believe in the equality of Cypriots for everything. For example me and you being totally equal.

But Turkish Cypriots are a minority in Cyprus. This is not bad, its just a fact.

The definition of minority is:
the smaller in number of two groups constituting a whole.

Turkish Cypriots is the smaller group.

Therefore TC are a minority.

This is a fact and simple logic - simple maths. I don't understand why you insist against something that is so simple to see.

[PEACE]

There are many many Turkish Cypriots living outside waiting to come back to island after solution! Our number decreased during time ! May be our number is now less then u but this never means you'll give us minority rights.We want equality between communities also at least at important decision mechanism.Unless we can't exist.You are saying that we are minority evertime.I wish that u are not trying to say " You can have only minority rights cos we are more than you." As number we can be minority but as rights not ! And i suppose none of us accept minority rights as u can't accept TRNC.A solution can come with Annan Plan style.
Republic Of Cyprus caused some problems in the past so i'm not supporting a solution under RC.Are u accepting Annan Plan style solution?
Or thinking that its giving us too much rights cos we are "minority"?

[Noname75]

First of all, we accepted to have a federation. You will have your own state that inside it you will be able to do almost anything you want (according to constitution and EU law of course).

But I see you have a problem with the word minority. Let me give you some examples of minorities:

- Cyprus is less than 1 million people. When we enter the EU we will be a tiny minority there. Who do you think is going to take most of the decisions in the EU? Cyprus, or large countries like UK Germany France italy etc? If being a minority is so bad, then why did we enter the EU?????

- Cypriots that immigrated in ohter countries, like UK, US etc. They are citizens of those countries like everybody else. They have the exact same rights like everybody else. Cypriots in those countries are still a minority. So what?

To be a minority is not something bad. Is just something that the propaganda of Dectash made you believe that is bad so a solution will never be found.

You will have your state in which you will be a majority, Cyprus will have a constitution that will secure that no group can harm another group, and on top of this we will have EU and EU law that will secure that every EU citizen is equal with the same rights.

Countries have majorities and minorities because they are democratic. Some countries are ruled by kings, some others by a "rulling class", in democracy majority roules.

Do you want democracy??

[PEACE]

You will have your own state that inside it you will be able to do almost anything you want (according to constitution and EU law of course).

Yeah! Correct ! But i want to add something ! We'll work together in foreign affairs!

Cyprus is less than 1 million people. When we enter the EU we will be a tiny minority there.

This answer is illogical and unreleated what i'm talking about! EU is not trying to give u " minority rights".As i said being minority in number is not important !Important one is our rights!

To be a minority is not something bad. Is just something that the propaganda of Dectash made you believe that is bad so a solution will never be found.

Being minority as number is not bad ! Yeah thats true ! But having only minority rights are ! Cos we gained that rights with treaties also with our position ...

You will have your state in which you will be a majority, Cyprus will have a constitution that will secure that no group can harm another group, and on top of this we will have EU and EU law that will secure that every EU citizen is equal with the same rights

Yes we want this too! No group can harm to another! EU law will be at the top! But with some limitations till Turkey enters to EU! These limitations will be given with founding treaty that will establish a new order in Cyprus.I suppose that u are knowing that limitations can be done in EU law with founding EU treaties...

every EU citizen is equal with the same rights.

Also communities equality... One community can't be superior to another and direct other communities...

Countries have majorities and minorities because they are democratic. Some countries are ruled by kings, some others by a "rulling class", in democracy majority roules.

Do you want democracy??

This is our existance security ! Don't say also communities' equality is not democratic.

[FinalFantasy]

so noname are tcs going to have equal rights with gcs under the name of federation? i think thats what u saying? am i right?

[PEACE]

I want to ask a Question too! Do you accept the equal representation of Cyprus in foreign affairs by Turkish Cypriot State and Greek Cypriot State that is releated with all Cyprus !?

[Noname75]

PEACE i think you are a bit confused about what "minority" and "minority rights" are.

TC are a minority if we group Cypriots on ethnicity. If we group people by color of hair in Cyprus, people with dark hair are majority, with light hair minority. Does that mean that people with light hair have less rights than people with dark hair?? NO!

You as a person will have the exact same rights as I will. Nothing less and nothing more.

Also, PEASE, I am afraid the system you want is called confederation. What we have agreed is federation. Somthing like the US sytem for example.