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[miltiades]

Stay out of this and do not be so amazed.

Ignorants repeating slogans created for post 74 political demonstrations and rallies must be put in their proper places for any progress to be made.

And demagogues such as you ought to be repatriated to the land of their dreams and stay there. Like it or not Cyprus is deemed internationally to be an independent nation. Only shortsighted nationalistic elements such as you , who incidentally are, together with their patrons the Greeks , totally responsible for the 1974 catastrophe . I believe Birkibrisly that in 1963 he and his family had to run for their lives and seek refuge in the Turkish quarters of Nicosia. Whether such move was as a result of inter communal strife or under pressure from the T/c partitionists is unimportant. The moral is that a Cypriot family from a tiny Paphos village and many like them had to run for their lives. I was not in Cyprus during those years and I take an overall picture of events , not biased and not preconceived either.
You are the epitome of the G/C that the T/Cs say they can not live with.
I'm the G/C that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs would live with and I'm not merely talking about Kikapu , Bir , mrfromng , but even the fanatics amongst the T/Cs would find me a better Cypriot to share this land than your type.

[Nikephoros]

What do any of these dreamland trips of yours have to with historic reality.

Whether you like it or not, enough combatants in the Battle of Cyprus have written accounts of their experiences to know enough. Like who was doing the real fighting and who was making the real myths post 1974 during the many demonstrations.

You descendants of the leftist sissies cannot hide. You are the ninnies who today keep saying how you are Cypriots and how you are independent. But where were your leftist sissy ancestors when it came time to fight in the Battle of Cyprus. Who was officering the National Guard? Mainland Greeks or leftist NeoCypriot cowards? Who sat in a military academy to become an officer? So keep harping on your independence leftists sissies, everyone knows what happens when it time to protest and make myths how big you are. But when it comes time to fight you all disappear.

[Kifeas]

Nikephoraki,

The Greek 1967-1974 military Junta has been outlawed and condemned by all the successive democratically elected Greek governments, ever since! All its top heads have been condemned by Greek courts as traitors and outlaws, and have ever since been sentenced to jail, and all of them died or are being dying in Koridallos jails. We Cypriots have nothing more to say on the issue, since the Greek justice has already found them guilty of treason and whatever else we and Makarios have previously accused them. If you have pro-junta issues, go and sort them out in Greece, with the rest of the mainland Greek people, with the Greek justice and the Greek state it self!

It is pointless for you and us to have such discussions in here, for something that has already been tried and decided in Greek courts! If you do not like the Greek judicial /legal system, then tough luck to you, but at least you should learn to respect it, if you indeed wish to call your self a Greek!


Now, please give us a break and roll your "aramba" (cart) further down!

[Sahin Turk]

Never! I think that Turkiye, Greece, Kuzey Kibris Turk Cumhuriyeti, and the Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus should live harmoniously as neighbouring countries and set an example of inter-civilisational peace.

Respect and equality ... why would anyone want anything else?

[Nikephoros]

Dear leftist Cypriot spouting "democratically elected", stupidities, myths and such.

There are worse things than military dictatorships. Like those who dismantle your only military to hold onto politically power on a small island of less than 600 thousand neighboring 40 million Turkey which had been planning to invade seriously since the 1960s at least.

Any idiot can repeat the mythologies created in post 74 rallies that are irrelevant to historic facts or reality. No slogan in a rally is ever relevant to much even at the time it was sloganized. There have been Greek military dictatorships but these dictators are never so bad as to remove forcibly Greeks from their homes and to make Hellenism retreat territorially. But Makarios has gone on the record and he has never ever admitted his huge shortcomings and mistakes, always smirking and blaming the junta. As long as certain historical clueless Greeks keep putting out the easy slogans of what happened, he can smile forever happy for being the biggest traitor in modern Greece history, but never called to task for it.

[Nikephoros]

For the democratically inclined farters:

CHAPTER 6
"The belief in the legitimate authority of the state is the glue that hold; a political society together. It is, even more than armies or police or jails, the means by which the state gets its laws obeyed. So we may sum up the universal characteristics of states by saying that the state is a group of people who: claim the right to enforce obedience to their commands within a territory and succeed in getting most of the people in the territory to accept that claim. group of people who make a claim of this sort are said to be claiming political authority. So a state is a group of people who claim political authority and have their claim accepted by most of those against whom the claim is made.
"Well, states claim political authority, and they get their claims acceptec But it is one thing to get other people to accept something you say; it is quite another to be right. 1 may claim to be a doctor, and if enough people believe me, I can open an office and start prescribing medicine. But that does not make me a doctor. My "patients" may fail to notice that I am not curing them but even that does not make me a doctor. So too, a group may claim the right: to rule, and the people may accept their claim, but that does not make the.' claim true.
The fundamental question of all political philosophy is obviously this when does a group calling itself the state really have a right to command? Or, since that way of putting the question seems to assume that states sometimes have such a right, we can ask: does any group of persons ever have the right to command?
"The same question can be turned around to focus our attention on the person doing the obeying rather than the people doing the commanding. From my point of view as a citizen, a state is a group of people who command me. If I believe that I have an obligation to obey their commands, then I con-sider them as constituting a legitimate state. Otherwise, 1 consider the-tyrants. To the citizen, the fundamental question of political philosophy is: do I ever have an obligation to obey the commands issued by some group calling itself the state?
"In ancient and medieval times, the citizen's obligation to the ruler was considered to be limited and conditioned upon the ruler's just performance his or her sovereign duties. But in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, in response to fundamental shifts in the relative power of the aristocracy, the monarchy, and the new middle class, the theory began to be put forward that

definition:
"Legitimate Authority- The right to give commands that others have a moral obligation to obey. States claim legitimate authority when they say that they have a right to pass laws that citizens or subjects ought to obey, regardless of whether they are in danger of being caught for not obeying. Democratic states base their claim to legitimate authority on the fact that they are elected by the people whom they rule and, therefore, speak with the voice of the people."

Wolff, Robert Paul. About Philosophy. Pearson, Prentice Hall (Upper Saddle River, New Jersey; 2006) p. 316.

[amazed]

frogs in well....

[seleucus Nicator]

Hi. I am a Greek from Greece and from what i'm reading from these forums so far, many Greek Cypriots here claim they have nothing to do with Greece and some even hate Greece. If a thread like this has already been made then I am sorry but I was just wondering... Do you Greek Cypriots hate Greece?

It is not an easy question!

We respect Greece for what has achieved and for what Greece is for the Greek nationals and the ones who like calling themselves Greek.

We respect it for all its past and achievements, like we respect all other nations on Earth.

We blame and hate the Greeks governments for what they did to us in 1974 in particular.

We are Cypriots!

And I agree with you 1000000000000000000000000%
WE ARE CYPRIOTS .

You forgot that Cyprus join E.U. because of Greece (Pagkalos threat with veto all the memberships if Cyprus would not be accept).
You don't know maybe , that the main reason that Germany do not decide direct trade with occupied Cyprus is .... that expecting the contract of Eurofighters and Greece postpone the decision for this reason.

Let me tell you , one T/C and one G/C are worth a million bloody Anatolian and a million Greek vlahous too.

Neo Cypriots are also racist superior from Greeks and Turks.
I think the neo Cypriots are totally confused .

[Get Real!]

You don't know maybe , that the main reason that Germany do not decide direct trade with occupied Cyprus is .... that expecting the contract of Eurofighters and Greece postpone the decision for this reason.

Direct trade and/or flights with the illegal Turkish military base called “TRNC” is legally IMPOSSIBLE for any EU member.

[seleucus Nicator]

You don't know maybe , that the main reason that Germany do not decide direct trade with occupied Cyprus is .... that expecting the contract of Eurofighters and Greece postpone the decision for this reason.

Direct trade and/or flights with the illegal Turkish military base called “TRNC” is legally IMPOSSIBLE for any EU member.

No European country is really interest about Cypriot problem they prefer to see their materialistic interest.If for example they decide direct trade Greece and Cyprus will go against this decision to the European Court that means that we ll have result after 5-8 years.The game ... will be lost, this is the reality.