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[Diogenes]

Dear Totis,

I forgot to mention to you some documents that show just how anti-Greeks
the Christians are:

See: Ioannis of Chrysostomos views on Greeks in Davlos, 301, April 07
(I would attach the article for you, but i don't know how to attach PDF files here)

See: the relation of Xristodoulos and Junta, here:
http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~takis/etc/junta.jpg

See: what they think about Greeks in the "Imnologion to Xarmosino" of the Moni Staurovouniou.

[Omiros]

It would be very sad if there were any Greeks from Greece that felt Greek Cypriots were 2nd class citizens.
These feelings I beleive,(if they exist), will be restricted to areas such as Athens whose mentallity does does not reflect the rest of Greece and its islands. I would even argue that athenians although may call themselves Greek are not Greek in attitude or in their way of life. (Some not all)

It may be true that some Greek Cypriots felt betrayed by Greece in 1974 during the Turkish invasion but what we must remember is that Greece was not being controlled by its own people at that time and the will of the common Greek Man / Women was not being met.

Greek Cypriots are Greek full stop. Cypriots have done very well in raising the profile of Greeks around the world and particularly in England where the Greek Orthodox church is more or less administered by Cypriots.

Greeks should unite. We do not have a big population in comparison to other countries and unity is important.
Greeks from Greece, young and old, should embrace Cyprus, Visit Cyprus and make a LOUD noise for Cyprus.

[halil]

It would be very sad if there were any Greeks from Greece that felt Greek Cypriots were 2nd class citizens.
These feelings I beleive,(if they exist), will be restricted to areas such as Athens whose mentallity does does not reflect the rest of Greece and its islands. I would even argue that athenians although may call themselves Greek are not Greek in attitude or in their way of life. (Some not all)

It may be true that some Greek Cypriots felt betrayed by Greece in 1974 during the Turkish invasion but what we must remember is that Greece was not being controlled by its own people at that time and the will of the common Greek Man / Women was not being met.

Greek Cypriots are Greek full stop. Cypriots have done very well in raising the profile of Greeks around the world and particularly in England where the Greek Orthodox church is more or less administered by Cypriots.

Greeks should unite. We do not have a big population in comparison to other countries and unity is important.
Greeks from Greece, young and old, should embrace Cyprus, Visit Cyprus and make a LOUD noise for Cyprus.

Than ....... What do you think about Turkish Cypriots ?

[denizaksulu]

Hmm after reading Humanist's post I guess my real question is are you Greek Cypriots proud of your Greek heritage? And do you Greek Cypriots also consider youselves Greeks aswell? From the Greek Cypriots I know personally all of them are proud of their Greek heritage and consider themselves Greeks aswell as Cypriots but I just want to hear your thoughts.

My gut feeling is that a few Greek Cypriots felt that Greece could have done more to help the GCs after the 'Turkish Peace' operation. Ok GCs call it 'invasion'. Until then things were more hunky-doory between the two. Its uncanny that such a love/hate relationship exists between Cypriots and the two 'Motherlands'.

[Nikitas]

Ok, as a half mainland Greek and half Greek Cypriot liging in Greece since 1976 I have my views on this issue.

No I do not hate Greece. Sometimes I find the Athens centered system nauseating, but that is a common reaction throughout Greece. The system in Greece is based in Athens, cares for Athens and its surrounding district and the rest of the country is allowed to go to hell. Anyone who displays any charcteristic of his provincial origins is regarded as inferior, and this goes for all non Athenians, not just Cypriots.

Cypriots have the added cross to bear in that we are more affluent, usually better educated, more practical and independent of this Athenian state. We show the rest of the Greeks what can be achieved by Greeks who do not have the burden of an Athenian elite and that kind of example undermines the status quo.

Good example is the vilage Artemis which was burnt in the summer fires. Cyprus is financing its rebuilding. While the other villages had to battle Greek buraucracy and deadlocks, the Cypriot engineers have gotten on with the job, the money is flowing where it should be, and Artemis is coming along. It should be completelyfinished by the end of the summer. The other villages might never be finished. The situation is self explanatory.

On a more personal level, to this day, after 33 years here, I have Athenian friends who tell me to my face that they cannot stand Cypriots, but that I am the exception. Not that they can stand people from my mother's island all that much either and it is one of their more famous and historic islands. They also make fun of the people from Crete, but not while in Crete, naturally, because in Crete they get a reaction that cuts them down to their proper size.

[Nikitas]

Deniz,

things were never "hunky dory" between the GC and mainlanders. The mainlanders who first arrived in Cyprus in the 60s as high school teachers came with a missionary attitude to Hellenise us. Then we had the army officers who took command of the Cyprus national guard and they took it on themselves to teach us about the evils of comunism. These assholes never understood that Cyprus did not have a civil war, and that our communist party was legal. Badmouthing half the population of the island did not exactly make them a loved and adorable.

Both our motherlands cannot stand the fact that outsid their borders exist Greeks and Turks who are both more civilised and socially more advanced than them, and that they manage to achieve these things while speaking dialects with questionable grammar to boot!

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,

things were never "hunky dory" between the GC and mainlanders. The mainlanders who first arrived in Cyprus in the 60s as high school teachers came with a missionary attitude to Hellenise us. Then we had the army officers who took command of the Cyprus national guard and they took it on themselves to teach us about the evils of comunism. These assholes never understood that Cyprus did not have a civil war, and that our communist party was legal. Badmouthing half the population of the island did not exactly make them a loved and adorable.

Both our motherlands cannot stand the fact that outsid their borders exist Greeks and Turks who are both more civilised and socially more advanced than them, and that they manage to achieve these things while speaking dialects with questionable grammar to boot!

Yes, but you can notpaint the whole GC people with the same brush. The same existed between the TCs and the Turks from mainland.

In the photos of 80 years ago, the scene in the Greek Cypriot coffee shop clearly had the picture of the then Greek Royal family on the wall. So the truth lies somewhere between both. As to the percentage, that is always questionable. So I am not disagreeing with you.

[BC Numismatics]

The Greeks have got a lot to answer for,as they've contributed directly to the Cyprus Problem,especially prior to 1974,when they tried to undermine the government of President Archbishop Makarios III.

Cypriots ARE NOT Greeks & will never be Greeks!

Aidan.

[denizaksulu]

The Greeks have got a lot to answer for,as they've contributed directly to the Cyprus Problem,especially prior to 1974,when they tried to undermine the government of President Archbishop Makarios III.

Cypriots ARE NOT Greeks & will never be Greeks!

Aidan.

I think Cypriots only can decide what they are or what they feel they are. I refer to those who are living there or have roots there.

[paliometoxo]

cypriot re file not GREEk cypriot.. ive nothing against greece ( greeks ) but we are cypriot here not greeks it would be like calling all americans england-americans