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[alexISS]

Of course mate.

The muslim civilization was never an example or inspiration to the world. So all they have to show to most tourists that they can relate mostly is monuments predating the arrival of Islam and Turks to the region.

I don't perceive muslim civilizations as one, the Moors of Spain, for example, left a great cultural heritage. But in Turkey's case there's been a systematic attempt to claim the achievements of others as their own, thus diminishing their own cultural elements

[Nikephoros]

Shame on muslim Turks who have no real respect for "freedom of religion". But they sure do suddenly have respect for this concept infront of kuffars to try to discredit Christian nations like neighboring Greece who actually have respect for such concepts.

You must think the whole world is stupid or something to peddle such nonsense.

[alexISS]

it is such a big lie..how many times have u ever been all those places??
I have never heard or read or guided tht they were built by pro-Turks..and I have seen almost every Greek temple in Turkey...
But I still cant see aqny mosque in Athens...
U r trying to provoke...and I dont know wht u wana get...
such a brainwashed guy..pity..

Not pro-Turks, P R O T O - T U R K S!
And who have you heard them attributing the monuments to?

[Nikephoros]

Of course mate.

The muslim civilization was never an example or inspiration to the world. So all they have to show to most tourists that they can relate mostly is monuments predating the arrival of Islam and Turks to the region.

I don't perceive muslim civilizations as one, the Moors of Spain, for example, left a great cultural heritage. But in Turkey's case there's been a systematic attempt to claim the achievements of others as their own, thus diminishing their own cultural elements

That is a myth. Muslims keep spreading lies and myths on history to take credit for other civilizations. The conquered Christians and Jews of Spain were responsible for the greatness. All muslims can do is quote the Quran and argue how best to implement its doctrines.

http://archaeology.kiev.ua/pub/vryonis.htm

... "Paradoxically, the intellectual and cultural influence of Byzantine civilization on the civilization of Islam did not occur until after the center of the caliphate had been shifted from the Mediterranean to the Mesopotamian world. In little more than half a century after the establishment of the Abbasids in Baghdad, more specifically in the reign of Caliph al-Mamun (813-833), an important process was inaugurated by which portions of the Hellenic heritage of Byzantine civilization were transmitted to Islamic civilization through the active translation of a significant body of Greek texts and with them the understanding and teaching of their contents. Caliph al-Mamun established the Bayt al-Hikma, or House of Wisdom, in Baghdad, a richly endowed research institute where he brought together the leading scholars of Greek literature, language, and education with the specific purpose of translating the Greek texts into Arabic." ...

"The first and seemingly most important to the caliph and the court circles was Greek medicine. Its functionality was obvious to the ruling class. An improved medical system meant better, healthier, and longer lives. Thus the translators were encouraged to translate a very substantial portion of the Greek medical corpus." ...

"How was it that in the ninth century this massive Hellenic infusion into the formation of Islamic civilization came about? The answer lies in the observation that a portion of Byzantine civilization had survived the Islamic conquests and had long been resident in the lands of the caliphate, even before the conquests. Here we are speaking of what has been termed Syrian Hellenism. The Syriac-speaking Christians, both Monophysites and Nestorians, had long ago adopted the curriculum of the late Greek schools of Alexandria, so that the study of Greek, Aristotle, Plato, Porphyry, Homer, and other authors remained standard in many of the schools in the very lands of the caliphate. Medicine had long been a monopoly of the Syriac Christians, and it was they who played the major role in the translation of the Greek texts, often via Syriac, into Arabic." ...

[karma]

it is such a big lie..how many times have u ever been all those places??
I have never heard or read or guided tht they were built by pro-Turks..and I have seen almost every Greek temple in Turkey...
But I still cant see aqny mosque in Athens...
U r trying to provoke...and I dont know wht u wana get...
such a brainwashed guy..pity..

Not pro-Turks, P R O T O - T U R K S!
And who have you heard them attributing the monuments to?

U CAN DEBATE WITH ME ONLY AFTER THE FIRST AND UNIQUE MOSQUE IS BUILT IN ATHENS..and only when u become an antikeimenikos guy..
Till then Ta Leme..

[Nikephoros]

double post

[Nikephoros]

You signed an agreement to protect the Greek minority under Lausanne and you violated it, your government is the worst in its treatments of minorities. So stop trying to shift the blame and discredit to Greece. The Greek elites made a big mistake to allow a single muslim immigrant to come to Greece. Greek elites also made the mistake to never have a true immigration policy, instead illegal immigrants just came in Greece and the elites later offered them amnesties and rights in exchange for votes. The way muslim countries like Turkey and such treat their non-muslim minorities, they should thank Allah any country is ignorant enough to allow Turks to ever immigrate abroad.

[alexISS]

http://archaeology.kiev.ua/pub/vryonis.htm

... "Paradoxically, the intellectual and cultural influence of Byzantine civilization on the civilization of Islam did not occur until after the center of the caliphate had been shifted from the Mediterranean to the Mesopotamian world. In little more than half a century after the establishment of the Abbasids in Baghdad, more specifically in the reign of Caliph al-Mamun (813-833), an important process was inaugurated by which portions of the Hellenic heritage of Byzantine civilization were transmitted to Islamic civilization through the active translation of a significant body of Greek texts and with them the understanding and teaching of their contents. Caliph al-Mamun established the Bayt al-Hikma, or House of Wisdom, in Baghdad, a richly endowed research institute where he brought together the leading scholars of Greek literature, language, and education with the specific purpose of translating the Greek texts into Arabic." ...

"The first and seemingly most important to the caliph and the court circles was Greek medicine. Its functionality was obvious to the ruling class. An improved medical system meant better, healthier, and longer lives. Thus the translators were encouraged to translate a very substantial portion of the Greek medical corpus." ...

"How was it that in the ninth century this massive Hellenic infusion into the formation of Islamic civilization came about? The answer lies in the observation that a portion of Byzantine civilization had survived the Islamic conquests and had long been resident in the lands of the caliphate, even before the conquests. Here we are speaking of what has been termed Syrian Hellenism. The Syriac-speaking Christians, both Monophysites and Nestorians, had long ago adopted the curriculum of the late Greek schools of Alexandria, so that the study of Greek, Aristotle, Plato, Porphyry, Homer, and other authors remained standard in many of the schools in the very lands of the caliphate. Medicine had long been a monopoly of the Syriac Christians, and it was they who played the major role in the translation of the Greek texts, often via Syriac, into Arabic." ...

Actually these quotes give credit to the muslims. Their preservation of Ancient Greeks learnings is of incalculable value, especially considering Europe was going through the dark ages at the time.

[karma]

You signed an agreement to protect the Greek minority under Lausanne and you violated it, your government is the worst in its treatments of minorities. So stop trying to shift the blame and discredit to Greece. The Greek elites made a big mistake to allow a single muslim immigrant to come to Greece. Greek elites also made the mistake to never have a true immigration policy, instead illegal immigrants just came in Greece and the elites later offered them amnesties and rights in exchange for votes. The way muslim countries like Turkey and such treat their non-muslim minorities, they should thank Allah any country is ignorant enough to allow their immigration abroad.

I am Greek and I prefer living in Greece instead of USA...but not a fascist 1 like u...The Turkish Gov. has violated the Greek Minority rights like helll...but it doesnt mean I should admire George Papdopoulos or His follower Christodoulos..

[Nikephoros]

Alexiss you have no idea what you are talking about.

From the very quote I gave:
"Here we are speaking of what has been termed Syrian Hellenism. The Syriac-speaking Christians, both Monophysites and Nestorians, had long ago adopted the curriculum of the late Greek schools of Alexandria, so that the study of Greek, Aristotle, Plato, Porphyry, Homer, and other authors remained standard in many of the schools in the very lands of the caliphate. Medicine had long been a monopoly of the Syriac Christians, and it was they who played the major role in the translation of the Greek texts, often via Syriac, into Arabic."

The very quote I sent says that it was the conquered Christians who translated the texts to Arabic. These Christians were part of Rhomaion civilization(Byzantine) before the muslim Arabs who had nothing to with this civilization ever invaded and destroyed the bulk of the Rhomaion civilization that was a more direct inheritor or Hellas and Rome.