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[alexISS]

alexISS, your views are the ones that prevailed among the Greek public opinion because the Greek bourgouisie wanted them the prevail in order to shake off their responsibilities of what actually happened in Cyprus.

Equally, your views were actually imposed on you to shake off your share of responsibility

The fact that you managed to turn a quite big chunk of GCs to call themselves simply Cypriots is one that you only have yourselves to blame for.

Trust me, a lot of "Cypriots" will revert to "Greek Cypriots" if there is a military coup in Turkey in the next months. Until then, those guys should find a replacement culture to the Greek one that they are part of, to justify their name.

Your views are quite blured when it comes to Greece's involvement in the Cyprus disaster. You choose to simply blame the GCs and wash the hands of every Greek (even those Junta supporters) for the Cyprus problem.

And why do you keep saying that the Turkish invasion was a good thing and that you thank the Greek Junta for causing it? What? You didn't? Well, neither did I say all those stupid things you insist I did

The fact that Makarios (btw the guy was simply amateur in politics) was continusly undermind by the thugs of Athens is irrelevent to you, as it is irrelevant that the coup played a major role. You said "the invation would have happened one way or another".- these are words posted by you so stop using that flip flop attidute! I will not go that far as quoting opposing statements that you made in your posts as they are there for all to see.

Blurred views?
Oh please, do point out my opposing statements!

I can understand that the views of many GCs about Greece may go against your nationalistic sentiments, however, you need to understand that these stem from dissapointment created from the way successive Greek Governments acted on major turns in the history of the island. Cypriot people have learned from this and if they see fit to call themselves Cypriots first because they see that this may be the only way for their survival you need to respect their views and not feel offended.

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Finally, Cypriot people don't hate Greek people, they do consider them brothers in most of the cases, however, they will no more accept being dictated how to do their own business.

Dictated? I'm sorry to say this but it's your presidents that keep flying to Athens every once in a while seeking help, you can't have it both ways

[alexISS]

And finally, do not for one second believe that it's Greece or Greeks who will lose anything because of your "Neo-Cypriotism" trend. Greece has no military or political interests in Cyprus at all, all her involvement is invited by the Cypriot people and does not serve any nationalistic purposes, quite unlike the case with Turkey, which, I assure you, will gladly step up to fill the ethnical vaccum that with such precision you create. And before you call me a moron with blurred views, remember the "TRNC" flags and the "Istanbul since 1453" banners your very own "Neo-Cypriots" were holding recently during a football match.

[free_cyprus]

alexISS
And finally, do not for one second believe that it's Greece or Greeks who will lose anything because of your "Neo-Cypriotism" trend. Greece has no military or political interests in Cyprus at all

for a min, i thought you were a man of the world, with brains to match it, but i was wrong , your tunneled vission and narrow minded.

[miltiades]

The Junta responsible for the 1974 coup had nothing to do with the Greek people, it wasn't elected and, although the USA immediately recognized it as the Greek government, the Greeks never did. And what about after 1974? Where would the RoC be now without Greece's support? Do you really think you would have the quality of living that you do without Greece? Does anyone believe Cyprus would be an EU member without Greece? What would Turkey do after the 1974 events had Greece declared herself neutral to the Cyprus problem? Could a country with a tiny army, no airforce and no navy afford an enemy like Turkey? Cyprus is an independent country with a strong economy and a european profile because of the continuous efforts of Greek politicians which, more often than not, were AGAINST the stubborness of the short-sighted Cypriots who were still waiting for Enosis... You may now enjoy your independance as a state, but that state was not what you wanted 40 years ago. So go ahead and advertise your "Cypriot-not Greek" identity all you want, it's thanks to Greece that you can.
I don't know if Cypriots hate mainland Greeks but I DO know that mainland Greeks (I'm one myself) DO NOT hate Cypriots. All the above proves that

What a moron! Should we now say thanks a bend down to you?
I have nothing against the Greek people as I have nothing against any other everyday people.

However, your stance reminds me of the Pontius Pilatous one. You cannot simply overwrite Greece's (as a country) faults by simply saying that the Junta was not elected! If you want to talk politics then talk politics and do not use this flip flop attitute.

Greece is very much responsible for what happened in Cyprus and the disaster in Cyprus actually made Junta collapse at least a decade earlier. Greece would have been in pretty much the same position as Turkey is today in terms of development hadn't been the Cyprus disaster. So please mate stop bragging about what Greece did for Cyprus after 1974 and simply brushing aside the resposibilities of Greece for what happened.

Greece had the moral oblication to help Cyprus stand on its own feet after the disaster and Greek people did all they could to help but going that far to claim that it was because of Greece that Cyprus economy developed and surpassed that of Greece is at least a blasphemy towards the Cypriot people. Cypriots worked very hard and in many times had to leave their families behind and work in the Arab countries a early as the 90's in order to prosper. They had to rebuilt the country and house 200,000 people that lost everything so next time you quote something like the above be aware that you are just scratching old wounds that are still in th process of healing. To answer your stupid question in short YES I BELIEVE THAT THE CYPRIOTS WOULD ENJOY THE QUALITY OF LIFE THEY ENJOY TODAY EVN WITHOUT GREECE. Maybe it would have taken a couple of years more to reach this state but the answer is still the same.

Cyprus became a member of the EU because it met the criteria of entry. Yes Greece did help as an existing member of the EU but other countries such as France and Germany helped equally. Greece is just a "small" member of the Eu and hadn't we had the support of France we wouldn;t have entered. So please don't flatter yourself as the EU big power.

As for the military service being 3 times more if it wasn't for Greece. I suggest you wake up and see that in Cyprus there are no more than 2,000 Greek soldiers. A bit more than the 950 ELDYK regiment but again claiming that because of the presence of some 1000 more Greek soldiers on the island the military service is a third of what it would have been is a joke.

As for Greece supposedly providing military power to Cyprus, well that is debatable. As you say Cyprus is very close to Turkey and as prominent Greek politicians have stated before "too far from Greece". Personally I do not trust Greeks on what they are saying about defending Cyprus. Their first priority in the case of a war is the defence of the Greek islands and not Cyprus. History has taught us this many times. Cypriots will be once again left on their own. I don't blame Greece for this either as as a country it is quite normal to seek to protect their people first. But don't come here preaching about Greece protecting Cyprus cause you make yourself look like a clown!

Finally I suggest to climb down from your Grand-Hellenic horse and stop being so provocative because you are making Greek people looking fools in the eyes of Cypriots.

I know some GCs like Sotos or Simon may not agree with what I said but don't fool yourselves. Cypriots are very proud people to accept a "Greek" preachin about them still being more or less in the middle ages without the help of Greece.

Excellent post. I have always believed that the Mainland Greeks ought to have been out en mass demonstrating and urging their government to seek Enosis with Cyprus not the other way around . We would of course reject them . Their influence on Cyprus is detrimental to the well being of our people. Their TV shows are full of chain smoking overdressed unsophisticated dyed hair blondes puffing away and encouraging all those naive watchers to join them in singing the praise of the cancer stick.
The Cyprus economy is doing well and will continue to do so with or without influence from Greece . Our motherland , Cyprus , deserves the opportunity to stand and be counted as an independent progressive nation .
And another thing , do they have "Charlies" in Greece !! I bet not !
ps. Did you know that many people in the UK are addicted to us Charlies ? especialy the posh lot , they just love a Charlie !

[alexISS]

Excellent post. I have always believed that the Mainland Greeks ought to have been out en mass demonstrating and urging their government to seek Enosis with Cyprus not the other way around . We would of course reject them . Their influence on Cyprus is detrimental to the well being of our people. Their TV shows are full of chain smoking overdressed unsophisticated dyed hair blondes puffing away and encouraging all those naive watchers to join them in singing the praise of the cancer stick.
The Cyprus economy is doing well and will continue to do so with or without influence from Greece . Our motherland , Cyprus , deserves the opportunity to stand and be counted as an independent progressive nation .
And another thing , do they have "Charlies" in Greece !! I bet not !
ps. Did you know that many people in the UK are addicted to us Charlies ? especialy the posh lot , they just love a Charlie !

Well I've seen thousands of Greek flags in Cyprus, can't say I've seen any Cypriot flags in Greece. That makes clear who is after union with whom. So don't bet on what your countrymen that actually LIVE in Cyprus would reject or accept, I'm not a Cypriot and yet I know your own homeland better than you. And one of the things I know is that, contrary to the "posh lot" in the UK, Cypriots are not very fond of "Charlies" who've been away for so long that they now have formed and joined a new ethnic group, the "British Cypriots" or just "Cypriots". As for the TV shows, Cypriots seem to like them more than you obviously, you can catch them on any channel in Cyprus. Maybe that's why Cyprus is the only country in Europe that's ahead of Greece in the smokers' percentage

[Natty]

Come on, lets not start insulting both countries....

I think I speak for most Greek Cypriots when I say, we don't hate Greece, but we are an independent country just trying to bring our people together...

[alexISS]

Come on, lets not start insulting both countries....

I think I speak for most Greek Cypriots when I say, we don't hate Greece, but we are an independent country just trying to bring our people together...

I have not insulted Greek Cypriots or Cyprus, but there is at least one insulting post to Greece in every single thread in this forum. Noone is questioning Cyprus's independence, maybe there are some who miss the british rule but fortunately they are too few to matter. It's also wrong what some believe, that Cyprus would be where she is today without Greece. I'm sorry, but Cyprus would not only be out of the EU, she would not exist as a state if she was left alone to face an enemy like Turkey

[karma]

Come on, lets not start insulting both countries....

I think I speak for most Greek Cypriots when I say, we don't hate Greece, but we are an independent country just trying to bring our people together...

I have not insulted Greek Cypriots or Cyprus, but there is at least one insulting post to Greece in every single thread in this forum. Noone is questioning Cyprus's independence, maybe there are some who miss the british rule but fortunately they are too few to matter. It's also wrong what some believe, that Cyprus would be where she is today without Greece. I'm sorry, but Cyprus would not only be out of the EU, she would not exist as a state if she was left alone to face an enemy like Turkey

And who invited the same enemy there?? wasnt it Greece?? Cypriots have every reason to hate both Greece and Turkey..I dont think Greeks or Turks have the same right..

[Get Real!]

Come on, lets not start insulting both countries....

I think I speak for most Greek Cypriots when I say, we don't hate Greece, but we are an independent country just trying to bring our people together...

I have not insulted Greek Cypriots or Cyprus, but there is at least one insulting post to Greece in every single thread in this forum. Noone is questioning Cyprus's independence, maybe there are some who miss the british rule but fortunately they are too few to matter. It's also wrong what some believe, that Cyprus would be where she is today without Greece. I'm sorry, but Cyprus would not only be out of the EU, she would not exist as a state if she was left alone to face an enemy like Turkey

What is it you want alexISS? Can't you see that Greece has gradually become irrelevant to Cyprus? Do you still wonder why? Is there anybody still out there that wonders why Greece is irrelevant?

Here's why...

GREECE HAS PROVEN INCAPABLE OF DEFENDING HER ROCKS IN THE AEGIAN SO WHAT IS THE PROBABILITY THAT SHE WILL EVER DEFEND CYPRUS?

ZERO

Goodnight.

[alexISS]

And who invited the same enemy there?? wasnt it Greece?? Cypriots have every reason to hate both Greece and Turkey..I dont think Greeks or Turks have the same right..

consider this scenario. After the founding of the roc greece declares herself neutral to Cyprus. Makarios undermines the very state he is the head of. The known incidents between gcs and tcs take place. Reaching 1974, greece remains neutral and there is no coup. What would happen then? Would Turkey stay out of Cyprus?