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[alexISS]

Well I shall for ever be grateful for the free books ! The junta collapsed not mainly by the Cypriot desaster but exclusively , undeniably profoundly as a result of the Cyprus catastrophe.
The junta was not challenged by the people , their ridiculous posters depicting " I EPANASTASIS IPIRXE ISTORIKI ANAGGI " "ELLA ELLINON XRISTIANON " were in every corner of Greece .None were vandalized , the people were indeed petrified , I witnessed it first hand in the Northern part of Greece a small town called Arithea , in another village near bye called Ambeli , I enquired as to why these ridiculous posters are left standing . I was stepped upon to be quite.

Well done, more ridiculous lies instead of answering my previous posts. THOUSANDS of Greek citizens were JAILED by the junta, hundreds were executed, those posters were printed BY THE JUNTA, and your witnessing of one or two maintained by some fascists Junta lovers in a village means nothing. The invasion was brought upon you by YOURSELVES first and foremost. And you can be sure that, one way or another, the Junta would collapse. Either through their own incapacity or through the peoples' struggles, it would collapse

[askimwos]

The invasion was brought upon you by YOURSELVES first and foremost. And you can be sure that, one way or another, the Junta would collapse. Either through their own incapacity or through the peoples' struggles, it would collapse

I suggest we ask the GCs in this forum if they actually share that view with you "Greek" Pontius Pilatus.

As if the Junta had noting to do with the coup, as if the Eoka B were not armed with shiploads sent to the directly from Greece.

I said it again and I repeat it now:

KEEP BEING SUCH AN ASS AND BE SURE THAT YOU ARE ACHIEVING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND!!

What a moron!!!!!

[Murataga]

What does:

" I EPANASTASIS IPIRXE ISTORIKI ANAGGI "

and

"ELLA ELLINON XRISTIANON "

mean?

[free_cyprus]

alexISS
The invasion was brought upon you by YOURSELVES

i have to agree with you there,but your missing a point here and its this during the 50s greece and turkey alike recruited. agents to work on behalf of turkey and greece. if you understand the words proxy war. i call it poxy war, then you will understand.the whole thing was engineered by turkey greece and britain to devide cyprus up to its present situation..................further more the soo called elected leaders turkish speak and greek speaking in cyprus today................ARE OR WERE part of eoka and tmt............not only that the goverment post that they allocated for people to run are in the same party right now. they are in bed with the sooo called motherlands.................and they still actively participate in deviding our people the cypriots...............soo what chance have we cypriots got when we have leaders as traitors who betray our people on every turn of history. .............what chance we got in cyprus when the place is filled with greek and turkish flags.........what chance have we got when hisroty books they us in cyprus proclaim us to be turkish and greek.becouse we speak their language. what chance have we got even in this forum when idiots proclaim to be turkish and greek. without even asking the questions. all our history of cyprus we have been fecked over by outside powers.and yet they still mentain their blood is pure and greek and turkish........................i say this openly in the forum that cypriot people are idiots 99% of them at least they go to university and tye think they have an education.but they dont know how to even ask a besic questions regarding cyprus and our history.they all take sides either they are turkish cypriots or greek cypriots. and they believe it....................and finaly if they took DNA test cyprus people will be shoked at the results as to just what we have in our blood or where we come from.............but like i said even the educated cannot ask these questions......................

[askimwos]

"I EPANASTASIS IPIRXE ISTORIKI ANAGGI "

The revolution was a historical need.

This is how the Junta used to call the 21 April 1967 military coup that brought them to power in Greece


"ELLA ELLINON XRISTIANON "

This was another Junta slogan. It means "Greece for Christian Greeks"

[alexISS]

What a moron! Should we now say thanks a bend down to you?
I have nothing against the Greek people as I have nothing against any other everyday people.

No, don't say thanks, just say "fuck you" as your fellow neo-Cypriots do. Just don't come crying back when we do fuck off and leave you alone with presidents like Papadopoulos to keep the RoC alive. And YOU call ME a moron...

However, your stance reminds me of the Pontius Pilatous one. You cannot simply overwrite Greece's (as a country) faults by simply saying that the Junta was not elected! If you want to talk politics then talk politics and do not use this flip flop attitute.

Oh, so the fact that the Junta was FORCED on the Greek people as well as the Cypriots means nothing to you, Greeks born 20 years later OWE to you. And of course your own Cypriot Junta representatives had nothing to do with the coup, neither did Makarios or the intercommunal conficts way before 1974. The Greek Junta had much more supporters in Cyprus than in Greece, EOKA B was their instrument and had a wide public support. And YOU call ME a moron...

Greece is very much responsible for what happened in Cyprus and the disaster in Cyprus actually made Junta collapse at least a decade earlier. Greece would have been in pretty much the same position as Turkey is today in terms of development hadn't been the Cyprus disaster. So please mate stop bragging about what Greece did for Cyprus after 1974 and simply brushing aside the resposibilities of Greece for what happened.

The least I'm interested in is bragging. That's clearly your thing. Greece would have no issues with Turkey right now if it wasn't for Cyprus so, to counter your argument, Greece would be in a MUCH BETTER position than it is now if it hadn't been standing by Cyprus all these years. No issues with Turkey would mean much less military spending, safe borders and reduced military service. And YOU call ME a moron...

Greece had the moral oblication to help Cyprus stand on its own feet after the disaster and Greek people did all they could to help

Greece helped Cyprus after 74 when it had the moral obligation, as she did before 74 when she had no moral obligation at all. So, the help that Greece provides Cyprus is not due to some stupid "moral obligation", it's because of the genuine feeling of brotherhood that Greeks have towards Greek Cypriots. Of course, MORONS like you are not included but "μαζί με τον Βασιλικό ποτίζεται και η γλάστρα"... And YOU call ME a moron...

but going that far to claim that it was because of Greece that Cyprus economy developed and surpassed that of Greece is at least a blasphemy towards the Cypriot people.
Cypriots worked very hard and in many times had to leave their families behind and work in the Arab countries a early as the 90's in order to prosper. They had to rebuilt the country and house 200,000 people that lost everything so next time you quote something like the above be aware that you are just scratching old wounds that are still in th process of healing.

To answer your stupid question in short YES I BELIEVE THAT THE CYPRIOTS WOULD ENJOY THE QUALITY OF LIFE THEY ENJOY TODAY EVN WITHOUT GREECE. Maybe it would have taken a couple of years more to reach this state but the answer is still the same.

I'm sorry, my question was not stupid, your answer is. Had Cyprus been alone, unprotected and under the Turkish threat, no economy would ever prosper. Of course Cypriots worked hard, but without Greece guaranteeing a safe haven for Cypriots to live in, that hard work would mean nothing. And YOU call ME a moron...

Cyprus became a member of the EU because it met the criteria of entry.
Yes Greece did help as an existing member of the EU but other countries such as France and Germany helped equally. Greece is just a "small" member of the Eu and hadn't we had the support of France we wouldn;t have entered. So please don't flatter yourself as the EU big power.

Cyprus ultimately became a member because Greece threatened to veto every attempt of expansion of the EU otherwise. And before that, Greece once again took Cyprus by the hand during all the negotiations with the EU until it met the criteria of entry. If you could ask mr Clerides about that he would certainly agree with me. And YOU call ME a moron...

As for the military service being 3 times more if it wasn't for Greece. I suggest you wake up and see that in Cyprus there are no more than 2,000 Greek soldiers. A bit more than the 950 ELDYK regiment but again claiming that because of the presence of some 1000 more Greek soldiers on the island the military service is a third of what it would have been is a joke.

As for Greece supposedly providing military power to Cyprus, well that is debatable. As you say Cyprus is very close to Turkey and as prominent Greek politicians have stated before "too far from Greece". Personally I do not trust Greeks on what they are saying about defending Cyprus. Their first priority in the case of a war is the defence of the Greek islands and not Cyprus. History has taught us this many times. Cypriots will be once again left on their own. I don't blame Greece for this either as as a country it is quite normal to seek to protect their people first. But don't come here preaching about Greece protecting Cyprus cause you make yourself look like a clown!

You can lesser the Greek military aid all you want but, without it, Cyprus would be in no way able to counter its abscence and adequately defend itself. It's not only the number of stationed troops that matter, you MORON, it's the whole Greek Army that guarantees your safety. Now that I think of it, tripling the military service would be far from enough. And YOU call ME a moron...

Finally I suggest to climb down from your Grand-Hellenic horse and stop being so provocative because you are making Greek people looking fools in the eyes of Cypriots.

I know some GCs like Sotos or Simon may not agree with what I said but don't fool yourselves. Cypriots are very proud people to accept a "Greek" preachin about them still being more or less in the middle ages without the help of Greece.

I was merely replying to the anti-Greek delirium of others. "Grand-Hellenic horse"? What kind of crap is that? And YOU call ME a moron...

[alexISS]

I suggest we ask the GCs in this forum if they actually share that view with you "Greek" Pontius Pilatus.

As if the Junta had noting to do with the coup, as if the Eoka B were not armed with shiploads sent to the directly from Greece.

I said it again and I repeat it now:

KEEP BEING SUCH AN ASS AND BE SURE THAT YOU ARE ACHIEVING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND!!

What a moron!!!!!

Really, you call others morons?

I never said that the Junta was not responsible for the invasion. I'm saying that the decision for the invasion was made by Turkey BEFORE the coup, they were just waiting for an opportunity, which the Junta politely provided. However, the REAL REASON for the invasion was what had preceded the coup, not the coup itself. If you think that's not the case then well, it's expected from MORONS like you

[askimwos]

As I said before carry on like this and you are just achieving the opposite results.

I wouldn't call myself a neocypriot, however, people like you do push GCs to not want to associate with views like your own.

I suggest you look at the real causes that make GCs move away from Greece's influence. GCs have been let down many times in the past by Greek Governments and have understood that relationship with Greece can only be healthy if managed as a relationship between two friendly countries and not as a mother-daughter one. The sooner people like you understand this and stop preaching "Hellenish" to Cypriots the better.

When I say that Greece had moral responsibilities towards Cyprus for the disaster caused by successive Greek Governments in the past I MEAN IT.
Hadn't Greek people helped Cyprus to the extend they did (please don't exagerate this) after the 1974 disaster, believe me Greece would have been another enemy in the eyes of the majority of GCs.

The fact that you continue to iterate that the Cypriots brought the disaster on themselves and that the Greek Junta coup played no part on this is the least ridiculous. Your denial any direct link between the Junta's people in Cyprus (Eoka B), that commited so many atrocities, and Junta itself is stupidity beyond belief.

Makarios called the 15 July coup a Greek invation on the island and in fact it was a small scale invation. What else could it be when an elected president is overthrowed by agents of another country?

[alexISS]

askimwos, noone is denying you the right to be an idiot, but PLEASE stop abusing it!

As I said before carry on like this and you are just achieving the opposite results.

I wouldn't call myself a neocypriot, however, people like you do push GCs to not want to associate with views like your own.

?!? What results do you believe I'm expecting to achieve?

I suggest you look at the real causes that make GCs move away from Greece's influence. GCs have been let down many times in the past by Greek Governments and have understood that relationship with Greece can only be healthy if managed as a relationship between two friendly countries and not as a mother-daughter one. The sooner people like you understand this and stop preaching "Hellenish" to Cypriots the better.

Do I have to repeat myself a million times for you to understand? It was the Greek Cypriots that wanted a mother-daughter relationship with Greece you MORON, Greece did her best to convince your stubborn leaders that independence was the best way to go.

When I say that Greece had moral responsibilities towards Cyprus for the disaster caused by successive Greek Governments in the past I MEAN IT.
Hadn't Greek people helped Cyprus to the extend they did (please don't exagerate this) after the 1974 disaster, believe me Greece would have been another enemy in the eyes of the majority of GCs.

Greece had been fighting for your very existence, when all you could think of was Enosis, way before 1974. The collapse of democracy in Greece that brought the coup is in no way enough for you to annull it. Do you understand this? After 1974, when democracy was restored, Greece immediately returned to the aid of Cyprus. You may call it "moral obligation", we call it our duty.

The fact that you continue to iterate that the Cypriots brought the disaster on themselves and that the Greek Junta coup played no part on this is the least ridiculous. Your denial any direct link between the Junta's people in Cyprus (Eoka B), that commited so many atrocities, and Junta itself is stupidity beyond belief.

for the nth time, I never said the Junta was not responsible, please, PLEASE re-read my previous posts. Denial of direct link? I even TOLD you that the EOKA B was the Junta's REPRESENTATIVES in Cyprus! How much clearer could that be? Does this erase the fact that they were Cypriots? That Cypriots participated in the coup staged by the Junta? That the Junta was not so unpopular to some Cypriots before the coup?

Makarios called the 15 July coup a Greek invation on the island and in fact it was a small scale invation. What else could it be when an elected president is overthrowed by agents of another country?

Well, since you bring this up you should also note that Makarios asked Turkey to intervene

[askimwos]

alexISS, your views are the ones that prevailed among the Greek public opinion because the Greek bourgouisie wanted them the prevail in order to shake off their responsibilities of what actually happened in Cyprus.

The fact that you managed to turn a quite big chunk of GCs to call themselves simply Cypriots is one that you only have yourselves to blame for.

Your views are quite blured when it comes to Greece's involvement in the Cyprus disaster. You choose to simply blame the GCs and wash the hands of every Greek (even those Junta supporters) for the Cyprus problem.
The fact that Makarios (btw the guy was simply amateur in politics) was continusly undermind by the thugs of Athens is irrelevent to you, as it is irrelevant that the coup played a major role. You said "the invation would have happened one way or another".- these are words posted by you so stop using that flip flop attidute! I will not go that far as quoting opposing statements that you made in your posts as they are there for all to see.

I can understand that the views of many GCs about Greece may go against your nationalistic sentiments, however, you need to understand that these stem from dissapointment created from the way successive Greek Governments acted on major turns in the history of the island. Cypriot people have learned from this and if they see fit to call themselves Cypriots first because they see that this may be the only way for their survival you need to respect their views and not feel offended.

Finally, Cypriot people don't hate Greek people, they do consider them brothers in most of the cases, however, they will no more accept being dictated how to do their own business.