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[alexISS]

The Junta responsible for the 1974 coup had nothing to do with the Greek people, it wasn't elected and, although the USA immediately recognized it as the Greek government, the Greeks never did. And what about after 1974? Where would the RoC be now without Greece's support? Do you really think you would have the quality of living that you do without Greece? Does anyone believe Cyprus would be an EU member without Greece? What would Turkey do after the 1974 events had Greece declared herself neutral to the Cyprus problem? Could a country with a tiny army, no airforce and no navy afford an enemy like Turkey? Cyprus is an independent country with a strong economy and a european profile because of the continuous efforts of Greek politicians which, more often than not, were AGAINST the stubborness of the short-sighted Cypriots who were still waiting for Enosis... You may now enjoy your independance as a state, but that state was not what you wanted 40 years ago. So go ahead and advertise your "Cypriot-not Greek" identity all you want, it's thanks to Greece that you can.
I don't know if Cypriots hate mainland Greeks but I DO know that mainland Greeks (I'm one myself) DO NOT hate Cypriots. All the above proves that

[miltiades]

The Junta responsible for the 1974 coup had nothing to do with the Greek people, it wasn't elected and, although the USA immediately recognized it as the Greek government, the Greeks never did. And what about after 1974? Where would the RoC be now without Greece's support? Do you really think you would have the quality of living that you do without Greece? Does anyone believe Cyprus would be an EU member without Greece? What would Turkey do after the 1974 events had Greece declared herself neutral to the Cyprus problem? Could a country with a tiny army, no airforce and no navy afford an enemy like Turkey? Cyprus is an independent country with a strong economy and a european profile because of the continuous efforts of Greek politicians which, more often than not, were AGAINST the stubborness of the short-sighted Cypriots who were still waiting for Enosis... You may now enjoy your independance as a state, but that state was not what you wanted 40 years ago. So go ahead and advertise your "Cypriot-not Greek" identity all you want, it's thanks to Greece that you can.
I don't know if Cypriots hate mainland Greeks but I DO know that mainland Greeks (I'm one myself) DO NOT hate Cypriots. All the above proves that

Firstly we do not hate the Greeks , neither do we blame the Greek people for the terrible mess that the Junta created in 1974 . The support that Greece gave and still does to Cyprus is appreciated and her encouraging role in Cyprus entry into Europe is admirable. Our strong economy has been influenced by a number of factors but most certainly the "Greek " factor was not and neither is now the predominant one. We wanted ENOSIS 50 years ago because we needed a guiding light having never in our history experienced the precious commodity of running our own affairs. Our schooling was greatly influnced by the Greek factor and our churches were at the forefront of the struggle for ENOSIS.
The Greek politicians of the past must bear responsibility also for rejecting
Cyprus when handed on the plate back in early 20th century. A great favour they did for us as far as I'm concerned.

Why is it that hard to understand that there is such identity as the Turkish Cypriots and the Greek Cypriots. Just as there are varieties of roses , vegetables , dogs cats and other animals each with a uniquely shared identity so there are Cypriots. The need to "belong " to Turkey or Greece is redundant since our nation has proved beyond question that it can govern itself adequately to meet stringent European standards. Our union with Europe is by far the best thing that happened to Cyprus.

[miltiades]

I am half Greek and half Greek Cypriot, from my point of view, going to Greece for the summer after being in Cyprus for the year, does not feel like im going to a different country and people. I am half Greek and half Greek Cypriot but i feel that both share the same identity as a culture, i see all ovr the internet people saying how Cypriots are not true Greeks, well if that is true, are the Cretens Greeks? their accent is quite similar to the Cypriot Greek

Constantine, do not try to find reasoning with these people... most of them have fled their own country, what do you expect... it is amazing that you can spot those who have fled Cyprus by their ideas being so incompatible to the political and ethnical reality of Cyprus today.

We did not flee , we emigrated like millions of people the world over before us did and still do now. Cyprus is our country too. Reasoning with "these people " that's rather a denigrating term aimed at a third of all Cypriots in the diaspora as ' these people ' , dont you think.
'What do you expect ' from these people you say . Well for starters get your arse out of your motherlands nickers and stop acting if you are the only Cypriot .These people indeed ! another plonker !

[alexISS]

Firstly we do not hate the Greeks

It wasn't me who called the Greeks a "sick nation"

neither do we blame the Greek people for the terrible mess that the Junta created in 1974 .

Wrong, there are more than a few Cypriots who blame "the Greeks" and not "the Junta" for 74

The support that Greece gave and still does to Cyprus is appreciated and her encouraging role in Cyprus entry into Europe is admirable. Our strong economy has been influenced by a number of factors but most certainly the "Greek " factor was not and neither is now the predominant one.

What I meant to say was that, without that support from Greece which you "appreciate" Cyprus would now simply be a Turkish province.

We wanted ENOSIS 50 years ago because we needed a guiding light having never in our history experienced the precious commodity of running our own affairs.

You wanted ENOSIS when ENOSIS was not only impossible, but also a threat for the very lives of Cyrpiots. Greece put the well being of the Cypriot people before any nationalistic aspirations of border expansion, and pushed for the creation of a new state that Cypriots did not want. Anyway, you obviously agree that Cyrpiots were wrong for wanting enosis and Greece was right.

Our schooling was greatly influnced by the Greek factor and our churches were at the forefront of the struggle for ENOSIS.

No Greek government forced you to teach the Greek history textbooks to your people and the Greek church was (and is) autocephalus.

The Greek politicians of the past must bear responsibility also for rejecting
Cyprus when handed on the plate back in early 20th century. A great favour they did for us as far as I'm concerned.

If that was a favour, why do you talk about "responsibility"? Are you bitter deep inside that Enosis did not happen? Besides, it was not Greek politicians but the Greek king that rejected Greece's entry to WWI in exchange for Cyprus, and rightly so. The fact that Greece entered the war later on could not be known beforehand.

Why is it that hard to understand that there is such identity as the Turkish Cypriots and the Greek Cypriots.

There's nothing hard to understand. For me, you are a Greek Cypriot, a Cypriot, a Greek, a Turk or an Englishman if you wish to be one. What I don't understand is people not accepting OTHER people's declaring of Greekness or Turkishness.

The need to "belong " to Turkey or Greece is redundant

Do you believe that Greece supports or promotes or creates the need of Cypriots to "belong" to Greece? If you do, you couldn't be more wrong. That "need" is only natural to people who share the same language, the same religion, the same customs, listen to the same music, have common interests, common "enemies" and in general interact as if they are one nation.

since our nation has proved beyond question that it can govern itself adequately

Do you mean that? Should we take Papadopoulos's actions as an example of adequate governing? The man would have thrown you out of the EU if it wasn't for Karamanlis, he is easily the most disliked (if not hated) of all the EU leaders. Greece never took decisions FOR Cyprus but, you have to admit, your presidents had to be taken by the hand by Greece each time important decisions had to be made. On such occasions, the President of the RoC would travel to Athens more often than he would go to the bathroom.

[free_cyprus]

Strahd
Constantine, do not try to find reasoning with these people... most of them have fled their own country, what do you expect... it is amazing that you can spot those who have fled Cyprus by their ideas being so incompatible to the political and ethnical reality of Cyprus today.

your forgeting something amigo. and that is this . many people in cyprus, left cyprus during the 60s and the 60s as a direct result of , NOT WANTING TO BECOME AGANTS OF GREECE AND TURKEY......... if you look at number parhaps the same number of people that live in cyprus today. we have more or less the same number living in excile becouse. the turkish and greek communities in cyprus............became agents of greece and turkey. to comit crimes againt our own people the cypriots. and yet you lot believe that your ancesters and your roots belong in greece and turkey. becouse we speak the language...............there is nothing soo funny as taking this as a fact and proclaiming it to the world given the history of cyprus.....................there is nothign greek or turkish about us we are slaves of history.............slaves who have not been freed yet.

[free_cyprus]

Strahd
that was the 50s and the 60s

[alexISS]

Our strong economy has been influenced by a number of factors but most certainly the "Greek " factor was not and neither is now the predominant one.

Without the "Greek" factor, you would have to educate your people in your own universities (or PAY GOOD MONEY to educate them abroad), write and print your own schoolbooks, triple the military service duration to counter the abscence of the Greek army, buy your own aircrafts and warships. What percentage of Cyprus's GDP would be cut off to cover these expenses? And all these while trying to find allies in a world that does not give a shit about Cyprus, a country that would of course be OUT of the EU and still 40km away from Turkey... So, how strong would your economy be without Greece?

[cypezokyli]

i am afraid that alexiSS is right on most points he raised.

[free_cyprus]

alexISS
Without the "Greek" factor, you would have to educate your people in your own universities (or PAY GOOD MONEY to educate them abroad), write and print your own schoolbooks, triple the military service duration to counter the abscence of the Greek army, buy your own aircrafts and warships. What percentage of Cyprus's GDP would be cut off to cover these expenses? And all these while trying to find allies in a world that does not give a shit about Cyprus, a country that would of course be OUT of the EU and still 40km away from Turkey... So, how strong would your economy be without Greece?

to answer you question politely we dont need fuck all from greece or turkey.................. we are willing to except our independence when we get it .................and we are willing to except an appology from greece and turkey for invading out little cyprus................................. you have no idea what kind of brainwashing it has coused cyprus people to read greek and turkish history books......... what kind of misery it has coused us your armies. your foreight polecies regarding cyprus.............i speak about greece and turkey.......... the two best friends who do billions of pounds of trade together. best friend who are in nato together and they share millitery secrets together.. the two soo called nations that were supposed to be garantors for cyprus and instead of being proud and just and right to let us live in peace in cyprus and to have our own self ditermination..................behind our back they drew up plans to devide cyprus up to what it is today.....................turkey, greece, britain and america...............you think becouse we speak your language you think we are one of you..............well you might have a little point there cos somany of them in cyprus are sooo fecking brain washed they actualy believe it ........................as for me no way never in a million years im cypriot my mother and fatherland is cyprus

[alexISS]

to answer you question politely we dont need fuck all from greece or turkey.................. we are willing to except our independence when we get it .................and we are willing to except an appology from greece and turkey for invading out little cyprus................................. you have no idea what kind of brainwashing it has coused cyprus people to read greek and turkish history books......... what kind of misery it has coused us your armies. your foreight polecies regarding cyprus.............i speak about greece and turkey.......... the two best friends who do billions of pounds of trade together. best friend who are in nato together and they share millitery secrets together.. the two soo called nations that were supposed to be garantors for cyprus and instead of being proud and just and right to let us live in peace in cyprus and to have our own self ditermination..................behind our back they drew up plans to devide cyprus up to what it is today.....................turkey, greece, britain and america...............you think becouse we speak your language you think we are one of you..............well you might have a little point there cos somany of them in cyprus are sooo fecking brain washed they actualy believe it ........................as for me no way never in a million years im cypriot my mother and fatherland is cyprus

Nice rambling, yes you're right, Greece and Turkey are allies conspiring to destroy Cyprus because it's a threat for both of them, it's a pre-emptive strike actually, we plan to sink you before you become a superpower and dominate all earth. Thanks for being polite though