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Postby EUropean666 » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:19 pm

by the way..islamic countries are where they used to be some fine european and jewish civilisations like syria, palestine and muslim occupied lebanon.
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Postby sadik06 » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:29 pm

EUropean666 wrote:spain, italy (you mean sicely) were under muslim occupation, dont forget the gencide of greeks, romans and jewish from muslims in north africa during the byzantine-arab wars, or even mohhamend's fairy tales in the arab pensila by beheading jewish kafirs and killing the byzantine guards and pagans. that is a a religion based on violence and hate.

i see that its you who is feeding on hate. muslims have never been violent. i am not going to speak about christians for i respect them. i am from north africa and i know more than you muslims came and live together with jews and christians which is still existing, for example morocco. jews have more qualities than muslims even they are minority have ever heard of a jewish or chritian killed in north africa, if you studied this in school i excuse you as many other student who are taught about the false religion from the primary school they are taught to hate muslims
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Postby sadik06 » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:36 pm

EUropean666 wrote:by the way..islamic countries are where they used to be some fine european and jewish civilisations like syria, palestine and muslim occupied lebanon.



Is it a joke????????????

i hope you didnt study this at scholl as well. for it will be dramatic disaster :shock:
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Postby sadik06 » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:41 pm

EUropean666 wrote:spain, italy (you mean sicely) were under muslim occupation, dont forget the gencide of greeks, romans and jewish from muslims in north africa during the byzantine-arab wars, or even mohhamend's fairy tales in the arab pensila by beheading jewish kafirs and killing the byzantine guards and pagans. that is a a religion based on violence and hate.


1. Islam means peace.

Islam comes from the root word 'salaam', which means peace. It also means submitting one's will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one's will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.

Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.


3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O'Leary.

The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O'Leary in the book "Islam at the cross road" (Page 8):

"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated."

4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years.

Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.

Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India.

The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

7. Indonesia and Malaysia.

Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, "Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?"

8. East Coast of Africa.

Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, "Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?"


9. Thomas Carlyle.

The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book "Heroes and Hero worship", refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: "The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man's head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can."


10. No compulsion in religion.

With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur'an says in the following verse:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error"
[Al-Qur'an 2:256]

plz read it and answer me
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:41 pm

EUropean666 wrote:by the way..Islamic countries are where they used to be some fine European and Jewish civilisations like Syria, Palestine and Muslim occupied Lebanon.



yeah and most Christian countries are where some of the most amazing and spiritually advanced indigenous people used to live, i hope you are not calling Islam violent in defence of Christianity because that would definitely be very stupid thing to say, considering how much blood and destruction lies in the foundations of Christianity...
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Postby EUropean666 » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:50 pm

sorry for offending you, from now on we all pray 5 times in the name of hallah, have 5-6 wifes and prepare our children to blow up in the name of hallah., by the way.. i guess spain shall be under arab rule, innit?

i said, i am not a christian, i just hate seeing people dying in the name of hallah and i always wondered why all muslim countries are troublemakers, especially when they border with kafirs (i include turkey in the list). I just wonder..why austria, switzerland, denmark, sweden and etc. do not have problems with others but all muslim countries are engaged in one way or another on wars and crimes.

for each one of your arguments i could easily get an answer..
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:57 pm

yeah you are only looking at European countries one being a NEUTRAL country, how about America, UK, China, Australia and plenty of South American and African countries who are not Muslim? i don't see any Muslim countries invading Christian countries do you?

your argument is very weak and has no real basis, and that's coming from an atheist point of view :lol:


ps. Turkey has never caused any problems in the name of Allah, in fact most of its problems arouse BECAUSE its trying to get away form all the Allah crap since the Ottoman collapse...
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Postby EUropean666 » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:01 pm

sadik06 wrote:
EUropean666 wrote:spain, italy (you mean sicely) were under muslim occupation, dont forget the gencide of greeks, romans and jewish from muslims in north africa during the byzantine-arab wars, or even mohhamend's fairy tales in the arab pensila by beheading jewish kafirs and killing the byzantine guards and pagans. that is a a religion based on violence and hate.


1. Islam means peace.

Islam comes from the root word 'salaam', which means peace. It also means submitting one's will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one's will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

[color=red]Yes, so let blow up some kafirs in the name of peace, i see it in palestine



2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.

Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.


Oppression? what oppression? do you mean by asking to respect for non muslims?



4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years.

Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

Muslims occupied an european land and spanish liberated their own land from arabs. spanish suffered a lot from arabs



5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.

Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

In egypt tens of coptic priests ahve been murdered from muslims and last year muslims abused monks havinga theatre play..religion of peace..

6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India.

The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

Yes, i see in kashmir, ppl dying from sucide bombers. Islam does not recognise as a religion buddhism and hinduism.

7. Indonesia and Malaysia.

Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, "Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?"

Remember the killing of christians in Indonesia, remember the occupation of christian East Timor and the genocide of christians that goes up to today

8. East Coast of Africa.

Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, "Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?"

Till the 7se century they were mostly roman, jewish and greek colonies. Jihad left none of them alive




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Mohammend cut the heads of many jewish in medina and
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Postby observer » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:02 pm

DT "the church in our village Ayios Nikitas (near Morphou) has been turned into an office....Go see my neutral observing friend."

Most grateful (no sarcasm) as I have been hearing this refrain for years but no-one could tell me of any location.
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Postby EUropean666 » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:04 pm

America is there to liberate those countries, especially aghans from the barbarian talibans, it is shame that muslims have not stated their regret for 9-11. I never heard any muslim leader supportin the war against terror.

Turkey yes, never except the violently islamisation of asia minor population and of many others.

shall we move forward with gay rights in the arab world or is it prohibited from hallah?
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