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[Kikapu]

When something walks like a Duck, looks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, then it must be a Duck right.....wrong, because in VP's case, it is a Turkey. To be more precise, a Turk from Turkey.

Where do I begin, where do I begin.???

I have been paying a very close attention to VP's posts for the last month or so, ever since, he became very aggressive toward my decision to visit the RoC, in my upcoming visit to Cyprus, in April. So I began to try understand, where this "proud Turkish Cypriot" was coming from, to act in such a way, towards another TC. So I started to form a "profile" on him, and read as much as I can, on what he wrote. This is what I've found out.

Let me say this from the beginning, that when VP is asked a direct question, he does not lie. So when VP says, that there is only "one" VP, I believe him. The fact that he does not lie, does not mean, that he tells the truth either, by volunteering the information, instead, he will just ignore it completely. This leads me to believe, that he is a religious man, who has deep convictions about lying, when asked a question directly. He is a Allah fearing man.

I have come across such man before. They can be dishonest, cheat on their wife, beat their wife, steal, be bribed, and still be able make justification for all of it, but when it comes to lying directly, with Allah watching, they are afraid. I'll give few examples of how VP fits this pattern of fearing Allah.


VP talks like a TC, and acts like a TC, but in actual fact, he is a mainland Turk from Turkey. I was able to build on these beliefs even more, after our unfortunate verbal insults towards each other, few weeks ago. VP's convictions run very deep.

VP, being a mainland Turk, is the reasons why he cannot relate to the GC's, or even to TC's, who do not welcome the Turks every move. TC's in general have a very low opinion of the mainland Turks, and would not trust them, any further that they can throw them. Sorry, I did not make the rules.

VP likes to mock people, who talk about their brotherly love towards their Cypriot countrymen. I have seen all TC's on this board, including Zan, mrfromng and Shahmaran, engage in some fun and games with our GC friends on this forum. Show me anywhere, where VP has done the same. He has not, because he is not a Cypriot. He refers to the "South" as Greek Cyprus, and that it is like a foreign country to him, and he is correct, because he comes from Turkey. It is no wonder, he does not have a RoC passport, because he could not get one, even if he wanted to have one.

We have all established, that VP is a Propagandist to help create a recognised partition of Cyprus. I have always said that, I respect all peoples views, even if I do not agree with them, but to hide your identity as who you really are, is inexcusable. Lets hear VP's views as a Turk, and not a pretending TC. Of course VP is a naturalized "TRNC" citizen, because he is married to a Turkish Cypriot, but even this does not make him a TC, so when ever he is talking about his people, he is infact, talking about the Settlers, who are his "real people".

There too many inconsistencies with VP's posts, but let me just pick on few, to illustrate to you, as to why VP is not a Cypriot. He has told us a little about himself voluntarily, such as, he was 44 years old (45 now), has a 12 year old boy, military service sucked, his mother in law comes from Kaymakli, which is where I'm from and so on. Then it was time to ask him very direct questions which were;

a) Were you born in Cyprus and where.?
b) Were both your parents born in Cyprus.?
c) How much time have you spent in Turkey, in your 45 years.?

Well, for someone who claims to be a "Proud Turkish Cypriot" refused to answer any of the above questions. You would not find one in a million, TC's or GC's who would not admit being born in Cyprus, if they were in fact born there. But you see, VP is a Allah fearing man, who cannot lie, when asked a direct question, but happy to make inaccurate and half truth statement about anything to do with Cyprus and Cypriot, to accomplish "his" mission, which is to create a permanent division of the island.

So VP, please start walking like a Turkey, looking like a Turkey, gobble gobble like a Turkey, so that we can all know that you are a "Turkey", and not a Duck, because a Duck you're are not, and neither are you a "True Cypriot".

What a load of bullshit, me religious give me a break

You do not know how stupid and foolish you look from where I'm sitting, man Ill take this as a compliment, you have spent time to research my posts and report the above...where are the inconsistencies? The fact that I prefer to keep myself private as it is every ones should you show a little respect towards my request and not try to use this to force my hand. People should be allowed to give up personal information of their own free will not this way.

You appear somewhat obsessed by "viewpoint" and his opinions this indicates that I have hit a few raw nerves that many would rather just label as propaganda but for me that's the insecure individuals opt out clause if you cant deal with it label it propaganda in the hope that it will go away. But these things have a knack of coming back to haunt your subconscious...

You have to realize that your life has (please don't take this the wrong way)diluted your TCness, you have not even bothered to come and see what has happened to your people in over 40 years and you have the nerve to try and dictate what is right and what is wrong to us who live here and are the ones whose whole future would be put on line, well forgive me for being cautious and questioning the intentions of a community which we have not known for the last 33 years and only have the dark past to fall back on, I do not know the old Cyprus all I know and love is the TRNC why is this so difficult to understand. You and people like you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that uniting with GCs is far better than staying as the TRNC.

My report stands, as is VP,

The truth is, you do not lie, when asked a direct question.

I do hope, that this was in no way meant to insult you, in anyway, and I believe you got that.

I just want to read your views as a Turk, and not as a claimed Cypriot, that's all.

[Viewpoint]

All I can say is I am a Turkish Cypriot through and through, like you not being able to prove you are a TC and not a GC posting fictitious information you have to take my word for it as I have to take yours.

And yes generally I do try to tell the truth with a little white lie every now and then just like all human beings.

[Kikapu]

All I can say is I am a Turkish Cypriot through and through, like you not being able to prove you are a TC and not a GC posting fictitious information you have to take my word for it as I have to take yours.

And yes generally I do try to tell the truth with a little white lie every now and then just like all human beings.

Yes VP, I'm also an American and British, through and through (what ever that means), but I'm a Cyprus born Turkish Cypriot.

Is that so hard to say.??

[Viewpoint]

All I can say is I am a Turkish Cypriot through and through, like you not being able to prove you are a TC and not a GC posting fictitious information you have to take my word for it as I have to take yours.

And yes generally I do try to tell the truth with a little white lie every now and then just like all human beings.

Yes VP, I'm also an American and British, through and through (what ever that means), but I'm a Cyprus born Turkish Cypriot.

Is that so hard to say.??

Who knows what you are? that exactly my point you or I could be making this all up.

[pitsilos]

why not meet him then smart guy?

[Kikapu]

All I can say is I am a Turkish Cypriot through and through, like you not being able to prove you are a TC and not a GC posting fictitious information you have to take my word for it as I have to take yours.

And yes generally I do try to tell the truth with a little white lie every now and then just like all human beings.

Yes VP, I'm also an American and British, through and through (what ever that means), but I'm a Cyprus born Turkish Cypriot.

Is that so hard to say.??

Who knows what you are? that exactly my point you or I could be making this all up.

That's what I'm talking about VP. You cannot lie, when asked a direct question about where you come from, so you choose not to answer the question.

I have offered to talk with you over the phone, at your time of choosing, when we're both on the forum, but you refused, because I would have picked up your Turkish accent in a second.

Just in case you did say yes, I did have several quotes from your posts to test you, if you were the same person, as the one who was writing, and that I was not talking to some "Joe blow".

[Viewpoint]

All I can say is I am a Turkish Cypriot through and through, like you not being able to prove you are a TC and not a GC posting fictitious information you have to take my word for it as I have to take yours.

And yes generally I do try to tell the truth with a little white lie every now and then just like all human beings.

Yes VP, I'm also an American and British, through and through (what ever that means), but I'm a Cyprus born Turkish Cypriot.

Is that so hard to say.??

Who knows what you are? that exactly my point you or I could be making this all up.

That's what I'm talking about VP. You cannot lie, when asked a direct question about where you come from, so you choose not to answer the question.

I have offered to talk with you over the phone, at your time of choosing, when we're both on the forum, but you refused, because I would have picked up your Turkish accent in a second.

Just in case you did say yes, I did have several quotes from your posts to test you, if you were the same person, as the one who was writing, and that I was not talking to some "Joe blow".

Why is it so important for you to identify who I am and my ethnic origins, this obsession is very interesting as you are even willing to call me and you who have lived away from TCs and the TRNC for over 40 years is going to able to tell if I am from Turkey or not, please don't insult everyone intelligence, are you just playing one of your games/tests yet again?

[free_cyprus]

turkish cypriots and greek cypriots what a joke all who say they are turkish and greek cypriots should be put on trial for treason

[pitsilos]

All I can say is I am a Turkish Cypriot through and through, like you not being able to prove you are a TC and not a GC posting fictitious information you have to take my word for it as I have to take yours.

And yes generally I do try to tell the truth with a little white lie every now and then just like all human beings.

Yes VP, I'm also an American and British, through and through (what ever that means), but I'm a Cyprus born Turkish Cypriot.

Is that so hard to say.??

Who knows what you are? that exactly my point you or I could be making this all up.

That's what I'm talking about VP. You cannot lie, when asked a direct question about where you come from, so you choose not to answer the question.

I have offered to talk with you over the phone, at your time of choosing, when we're both on the forum, but you refused, because I would have picked up your Turkish accent in a second.

Just in case you did say yes, I did have several quotes from your posts to test you, if you were the same person, as the one who was writing, and that I was not talking to some "Joe blow".

Why is it so important for you to identify who I am and my ethnic origins, this obsession is very interesting as you are even willing to call me and you who have lived away from TCs and the TRNC for over 40 years is going to able to tell if I am from Turkey or not, please don't insult everyone intelligence, are you just playing one of your games/tests yet again?

why don't you answer him? are you or aren't you.

were you born in turkey? or cyprus.

i actually asked you a simialar question in the past and that was to give us your experiences. everyone that was born in the late 50's, early 60's gave their experiences of coexisting, good or bad, you never did. why?
is it because you got none?

and on another matter you mentioned you had an older daughter that got engaged. so i don't think you are 45, you are older.

[zan]

Sorry Kikapu but this is a totally pointless thread. What did you want from this posting?……….A complete confession?

I do not think that you thought this through properly because if you really understood what it would achieve you would not have bothered. This thread could go on for ever and a day and still you would have not got anymore than you know now.


I think you need to reassess what your intentions are here because I don’t believe they were to prove that VP is anything other than he says he is.

I have had this argument with my brother as to fighting with people about who they are and what they are. You can only take people at face value and if they say they are from a certain place then you have to talk to them as such. I agree that some people make it too easy to suspect their intentions and their identity but they are obvious to every one and no offence can be taken for pointing them out as part of a thread. But to open a new thread dedicated to this is a bit sad I am afraid.

Having said that I did do a similar thing to someone I will not name for hear of him coming back but that was not to question his identity but his motives and his accusations.


Pitsilos.


I will guard my identity as much as I can and I advise all to do the same because there is a couple ways this Cyprus thing can go and, more so for those living on the island, there can be repercussions either way at a later date. What the Internet has given all of us is a voice and, in my mind, revealing your identity will take some of that freedom away from you. There are people with violent intentions on both sides and sticking yourself up as a victim is stupid. I have documented evidence that harassment has occurred already but have no idea, though I can suspect, that violence has been carried out because that very intelligent GC poster does not post anywhere, that I can see, any more. I have been asked if I want to go for a drink with a few people and I have not admitted that the reason I will not meat them is because I believe that both the sides, in this conflict, are collecting information about every one of us that is posting. This part I have no doubt about , although no evidence.


Kikapu

I believe you should ask admin to delete this thread and lets get back to arguing the real problems. If VP informs you that he is a Martian, then you should respect that and talk to him as one if you have anything to say to him. You could always ignore him and say nothing. There are people that I am suspicious of on this forum but I have only accused one of them because of his different abilities in writing English but have not opened a thread dedicated to it.