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[DT.]

DT
how can i go my merry way without saying bye to you did i say but or did i say go fuck yourself oppssss im sure i said those to a few cyrpiot polititions and the pillers of the community but if your not one of those people then concider yourself privialged ashole

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[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Free_Cyprus, why are you trying to lump Greece and Turkey in the same boat for the sake of sounding fair. Like someone else said in this thread, when did Greece rape our ancestors and ethnically cleanse 1/3 of the island???

You really cannot link Greece with Turkey because they are traditional enemies...We all know that Greece had a terrible military government for about 6 years...but they were overthrown by the Greek people themselves. Turkey's human rights record is attrocious in world standards - yet Turkish / turkish Cypriot people are so nationalisticly brainwashed, they cannot admit to the crimes commited by the Turkish government in the past.

[BirKibrisli]

Snake,
Free_Cyprus has a lot to learn in "Winning Friends' and Influencing People"department,but he/she is on the right track.Blaming just one side is not going to help us solve Cypro.Tell me one thing.Where do you think Sampson's little coup d'etat would've ended had Turkey not invaded when they did?Assuming that the Colonels would not have fallen had Turkey not invaded...?!!

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Sampson's coup probably wouldnt have lasted long at all in Cyprus had Turkey not invaded. Considering the Greek Junta was overthrown by the Greek people and 99% of Greek Cypriot population of Cyprus did not support EOKA B, then I cant envisage the coup lasting long at all.

Blaming only one side may not solve the Cyprus problem with regards to making the Turkish Cypriot majority happy - but im saying things how they are. The Cyprus problem doesnt involved Greece at all. We also know that Turkey wanted to invade Cyprus sooner or later anyway.

Leave Greece out of the picture, its not them who occupy Cyprus is it.

[BirKibrisli]

But Snake...didn't the colonels fall because of the Turkish invasion?
Had Turkey not invaded would the Junta still fall?

Assuming that Junta didn't fall,and Sampson stayed on as President and declared ENOSIS.What do you think would've happen then?

[T_C]

Sampson's coup probably wouldnt have lasted long at all in Cyprus had Turkey not invaded. Considering the Greek Junta was overthrown by the Greek people and 99% of Greek Cypriot population of Cyprus did not support EOKA B, then I cant envisage the coup lasting long at all.

Blaming only one side may not solve the Cyprus problem with regards to making the Turkish Cypriot majority happy - but im saying things how they are. The Cyprus problem doesnt involved Greece at all. We also know that Turkey wanted to invade Cyprus sooner or later anyway.

Leave Greece out of the picture, its not them who occupy Cyprus is it.

Snake, Makarios clearly states;

"The first chapter of this tragedy was written by the Greek military junta. Cyprus had been first of all destroyed by the intervention of Greece. Turkey came later, like a second evil".

So NO! You cant just leave Greece out and say nothing would of happened because had Turkey not intervened do you really think that the people would of overthrown the Junta?

Why on earth would they when it would of been their best bet for Enosis?

*Edit*

Just to add...

O.F.: So you too were expecting the coup.

Makarios: No. I never thought they'd be so stupid as to order a coup against me. In fact, to me it seemed impossible that they wouldn't consider its consequences. I mean Turkish intervention. At the most I thought they might do such a thing by making a deal with Turkey, that is, authorizing Turkey to intervene so that Greece could then respond, to be followed by partition and double enosis. I went on thinking so even after the coup, when I got to London. It took some time for me to realize that Ioannides had simply acted out of a lack of intelligence. And yet I knew him. In 1963 and 1964 he had been in Cyprus as an officer of the National Guard, and one fill day he came to see me, accompanied by Sampson, in order to explain to me secretly a plan that would settle everything. He had bowed to me, he had kissed my hand most respectfully, then: "Beatitude, here's the plan. To attack the Turkish Cypriots suddenly, everywhere on the island. To eliminate them one and all. Stop." I was flabbergasted. I told him I couldn't agree with him, that I couldn't even conceive the idea of killing so many innocent people. He kissed my hand again and went away in a huff. I tell you, he's a criminal.

[Get Real!]

Snake, Free_Cyprus has a lot to learn in "Winning Friends' and Influencing People"department,but he/she is on the right track.

Oh, so that's what forums are for... "Winning Friends and Influencing People" ?

...and here I was thinking that forums were the last bastion of free thought where I could tell it like it is!

Maybe I should take your advice and become really popular and influential like you, Alexios, and Bananiot!

[Get Real!]

Sampson's coup probably wouldnt have lasted long at all in Cyprus had Turkey not invaded. Considering the Greek Junta was overthrown by the Greek people and 99% of Greek Cypriot population of Cyprus did not support EOKA B, then I cant envisage the coup lasting long at all.

The Greek junta fell because of the calamity in Cyprus and not because of any internal Greek heroism. The Greeks have the heart of a tree shrew as demonstrated yet again in the mid 90s when they had serious problems protecting one of their rocks ("Imia") in the Aegian!

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

But Snake...didn't the colonels fall because of the Turkish invasion?
Had Turkey not invaded would the Junta still fall?

Assuming that Junta didn't fall,and Sampson stayed on as President and declared ENOSIS.What do you think would've happen then?

I think you would be quite ignorant or typically Cypriot to think that the fall of the Greek junta was only because their coup in Cyprus. Their were many more factors leading up to the fall of the Junta and the Cyprus situation seems more like the tip of the iceberg.

Here is a segment from a very informative website giving detailed facts of the history of Athens, from ancient times upto the fall of the Junta government. Its an example of how the Greek military government, who was controlled by the USA, was effectively "pissing people off" before the coup in Cyprus.

In summer 1973 units of the Greek Navy mutinied and sailed to Italy. Papdopoulos proclaimed a republic and was 'elected' president. It was an ίnglοriοus but fitting end to an imported dynasty which had shown itse1f over and over again contemptuous of both constitutional law, basic human rights and the interests of the Greek people.

In the autumn of 1973, large-scale student demonstrations, provoked by repression in the universities and a drastic increase in inflation, openly defied the regime's ban on public meetings. In November, students began a 'sit-in' in the Polytechnic University, and transmitted clandestine radio broadcasts calling upon the people To rise up against the tyranny. On the night of 16-17th tanks were sent in. They bulldozed the locked gates and, covered by sniper fire from buildings opposite, armed police swarmed into the grounds behind them. The students' radio station broadcast appeals for doctors and priests, but none turned up. At least twenty students were killed. [Read more about the massacre at the Athens Polytechnic University in Athens: The City.]

Ironically, these events led to a worse state than before. Senior officers decided that Papadopoulos was incompetent, so the blame for the Polytechnic massacre was laid on him, and he was removed from power in what amounted to a second coup. He was replaced by the sinister Βrigadier Ioannides, head of the military security police, yet another CIA agent, who arrested Papadopoulos and installed a puppet of his own in his place. Under his leadership, repression increased in efficiency and ruthlessness.

http://www.anagnosis.gr/index.php?pageID=226&la=eng

I would check it out - and not be so hasty to label it biased becaused it is from a Greek website.

[free_cyprus]

first of all let me say this about some of the replies to me im not here to win friend firstly i dont need friends who take sides and who cannot see the whole picture. i do not need friends who are turkish cypriots and greek cypriots. but i welcome friends who are turkish speaking and greek speaking cypriots. furthermore people say leave greece out of the picture one cannot leave greece out of the picture becouse they conspired with turkey and britain to devide the island of cyprus for thei own benefits. also can someone in this forum who knows and understands about past empires of the world can you anyone explain to me how empires were built. was it not through invasion murder rape and occupation ..................or did they invade places to improve the peoples lives how can a barbaric act in the first place ever give a better life for the people of the land that is being occupied we have to listen to their rules their laws and if you go against those laws you are killed.... sooo im waiting for some visionary from this forum who does not talk ahit to explain to me why i should leave greece turkey and britain out of the picture when they designed they instigated and hey carried out the devision of cyprus